#2439 - Johnny Knoxville

[00:01] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:11] Yeah, yeah, he said fuck you all, man, he choked him to sleep. [00:18] I would pay for it. How did you meet judo Gene LaBelle? I met him first on Men in Black 2. He was a stunt man. [00:30] people would, the stunt people would line up outside his trailer so they [00:35] So he would choke them out and he would give you that little, he would give you a patch afterwards. You've been choked out by Judo Gene LaBelle. Oh, God. He had all those cartoonish patches. He gave you a bunch of those. He's a character, man. [00:50] One guy, I saw one, the stuntman, right before Gene choked him out, he goes, one second. [00:56] this Irish dude, and he turned around and he slapped Gene in the face. And Gene's like, [01:02] And then after Gene choked them, they were standing up, Gene just dropped them straight to the ground for slapping them. [01:11] Ooh. You can get hurt like that. Yeah, well, that's what you get for slapping Gene LaBelle. Yeah, don't slap him. Give him a kiss. Kiss him in the cheek before he chokes you out. Don't slap him. [01:22] He had one of the very first ever mixed martial arts fights. Oh, yeah, it was that. He fought. Milo Savage. Yes. And didn't Milo Savage grease himself up beforehand? Oh, yeah. But also Gene was wearing a gi, which kind of negates most of the grease. Yeah.

[01:41] so he grabbed him. Where was... [01:45] I guess the rumor was Milo Savage's gloves were loaded. [01:48] uh i don't know i would do that though if i was mile savage oh yeah i would have some kind of weapon against sheen labelle well most people that have never grappled a guy like that they you don't have any idea how helpless you actually are until that you think i'll be able to push him away from me i'll be able to push him away and get some punches off you really don't know until that guy grabs you and it's like being grabbed by an orangutan yeah because his mom ran the grand olympic auditorium right and he grew up [02:16] Training with... [02:17] All the disciplines of fighters that came through there. Well, he definitely knew pretty much everything. He knew a lot, but obviously he's a judo specialist. But he's the guy who taught Bruce Lee about the importance of grappling. Yeah, because he worked with him on the Green Hornet? Yeah, I think he worked with him on that. But when he locked up with Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee was like, oh, okay, I'm helpless. [02:41] Apparently the story is that Gene picked him up and carried him around over his shoulder. [02:47] I like this. Because Gene was a light heavyweight judo champion. He's probably at least 190 pounds. Bruce Lee was a pretty small guy. Gene just grabbed him. [03:02] His face just looked like a catcher's mitt. It was just – just looking at that guy's face. Yeah, he was a classic. And always check out a guy's ears before you talk shit with them. If they have that –

[03:15] Cauliflower. Cauliflower ear. Just buy him a drink or give him a hug. Didn't he get it from like, didn't he have John Jones fuck his ears up? He tried to get it. I don't know if it happened. We, you know, we tried to do, I tried to do that to the director, Jeff Tremaine on. [03:30] Jackass number two. Every time someone would walk past him, they would grab his ear and twist, and we were just hoping it would cauliflower up by the end of the film, but it didn't. [03:39] You got to earn that. Yeah. There's a lot of guys who fake it, though. I know a lot of jujitsu guys who fake it. They have guys fuck their ears up on purpose because they want to look cool. It's kind of weak. Yeah, that's – you got to earn it. Yeah. It's like Robert De Niro in that movie where he wouldn't take Viagra. Remember? A hard-on should be earned. [04:02] It should be had legitimately or not at all. The old-fashioned way, with eye contact. [04:09] was a mob boss but he was going to a shrink and he couldn't get it up oh yeah was it billy crystal was the shrink i don't remember the name of it but yeah i know what you're talking about dude you've had a wild ride [04:22] In life, you know what I mean? You've done a lot of crazy shit not just like with jackass, but you became a movie star and I [04:31] You're like, what has this been like for you? [04:35] Sometimes it feels like you're living someone else's life. Imposter syndrome? Yeah, a little. [04:43] I'm extremely grateful, especially for a guy with my limited education. I get the joke what I would be doing if I didn't.

[04:52] fall into what I'm doing. So, uh... [04:56] Yeah, it's pretty surreal. I just... [04:58] keep trying to move forward. How did you guys get started with Jackass? How did all that come to bear? [05:06] I, the short answer is my then girlfriend, [05:10] God. [05:11] Pregnant. [05:12] And I had a daughter on the way and I was I moved to L.A. to act, but I wasn't doing anything, man. I was drinking a lot. And and then I'm like, oh, shit, I have to support a daughter. I need to do something quick. [05:29] So I... [05:31] I was living next door to Antoine Fuqua in this duplex, the director. Oh, wow. And he set me up with a casting director who got me a commercial agent, my friend John Linson. [05:41] uh... [05:42] Set me up writing articles for this magazine. [05:46] and because he knew I wanted to write [05:48] And one of the articles turned into me testing self-defense equipment on myself. And a lot of different magazines wanted the article, but they didn't want anything to do with it because I was going to shoot myself in the chest with a bulletproof vest. [06:05] is the last thing. It's like stun gun, taser gun, pepper spray. And Jeff Tremaine, who now directs Jackass – [06:12] He was the editor of Big Brother magazine, a skateboarding magazine owned by Larry Flan. [06:17] and [06:18] He goes... [06:19] You can write it for us, and I'll help you buy a couple of the things and the stun gun and the taser gun. And I took the money my mom gave me for Christmas and bought the cheapest bulletproof vest they had for the last thing. You don't want to skimp on a bulletproof vest. That's all I could afford. It was either –

[06:36] No stun gun or taser gun. So anyway, Jeff says, hey, why don't you film that article that you're writing? We'll put it in our skateboard video. [06:45] Kind of snowballed from there. Oh, so that was the genesis of it. Yeah. Wow. Isn't it weird how, like, desperation or, like, the recognition that, like, oh, you have responsibilities. Like, you got to get going. Just lights a fire under your ass. You become, like, a totally different person. It was, like, I deal with... [07:04] a certain amount of [07:06] overcoming [07:08] fear or whatever when [07:09] doing the stunts, but [07:12] There was never any fear like you have a daughter on the way and you have to figure out how to support her. Yeah. I was... [07:19] I had to do something quick, and that was my best guess. [07:23] Yeah, it's the mother of invention, man. Yeah. That necessity. Yeah. Understanding. [07:29] Like being a dad and having to take care of people, it just changes everything. [07:34] Yeah, like, what am I doing? Yeah. You know what I'm doing? I'm doing fucking nothing, and I need to do something. Yeah. Yeah. [07:41] Yeah, it's a primal feeling, right? Yeah. [07:46] It changed everything. [07:48] But when you're doing this, first of all, what caliber of revolver did you get shot with? Well, the vest was... [07:58] The cheapest one, so it could take a 38, and I got a 38. I borrowed it from my neighbor's wife. [08:06] Jesus Christ.

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[11:39] And I'm I'm I got the gun to my chest and. [11:45] Mm-hmm. [11:46] A car pulls up behind me. [11:49] And it's a bunch of tweakers. [11:51] They're driving down the fire road. They're like, how do we get to the freeway? And I got the gun behind my back. I'm like, hey, just go down here and make a right, then a left. [11:59] Uh... [12:00] And they drove away, and so I went back to shooting myself. [12:05] It was sketchy. It looked like a snuff film because my friends, the photographer on it, [12:13] Saw his buddy die because he jumped off a... [12:16] hotel trying to hit a swimming pool and didn't hit that swimming pool. And so he was really scared, right? He was like, stop. Don't do this. Don't do this. Stop. I wasn't getting a lot of positive reinforcement, Joe. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it. I had a bunch of, because since it was Flint Magazine, I had a bunch of hustlers under the bulletproof vest to help absorb the impact. And at one point, they all fall out. And I bend over to pick them up. [12:41] And I'm pointing the gun right at my friends as I pick them up. I don't realize this, but it was sketchy. And that was the first. [12:49] Yeah, we put that in the Big Brother video. Have you ever done anything like self-harming, any dangerous type activities before you started Jackass? Before you started doing all this kind of shit? No, no. I didn't even know what self – I mean you can argue my drinking didn't help my liver, but –

[13:10] It's like you guys – like what you did was – [13:13] Kind of fucking crazy. Yeah. [13:16] But when you I guess if you stop, I don't know, like it just becomes something you're doing. [13:24] It was all... [13:26] normal [13:28] to me, and I can't speak for them, it's just... [13:32] That's what we're doing today. [13:33] And so that was the first one. And then how many times have you done a stunt where you're like, I could die. [13:43] A few. [13:44] Like you've done – like the bull one where you're blindfolded. I was like, don't do that. I was watching. I was like, this is crazy. Yeah, that was – yeah. That was – anytime you're working with a bull, I think that – [13:57] They hate you. [13:58] And really, they hate movement. [14:01] and they want to make you stop moving forever. [14:06] But I've had – like in the Jackass No. 2 when the rocket exploded. [14:11] Those were foot-long metal rods. [14:14] and there was 12 of them. One blew out right next to my ribs, which would have... [14:20] been picture wrap on me. And one flew back 300 yards and split two of our art guys right between them. That would have – it was – [14:30] We've had some really close ones. I tried to do the Buster Keaton thing in number two where the facade falls. [14:36] Uh-huh. I hate it. [14:38] falls right, the window falls over my head.

[14:41] That was the plan. [14:43] And the guy's like, okay. [14:45] Because it was the close, right? [14:48] of the movie. [14:50] And the guy's like, this is a 20-foot steel wall. [14:54] Like you hit your mark, do not move. [14:58] I'm like, got it. [15:00] And they said... [15:00] Action. And then... [15:03] So I take two steps. [15:05] And [15:06] They're like, ah, no, no, cut, cut. So I just like, oh, OK, I'm going to walk over here. [15:12] And [15:13] They'd already released The Wall. [15:16] And if you watch the footage, it crushes me to the ground. [15:21] But my head just makes it through the window. Otherwise, that would have been – I would have been done. [15:27] Oh, jeez. Yeah. [15:32] Yeah. Oh, my God. That was a close one. [15:37] God. Yeah. How heavy was that fucking thing? It was a 20-foot steel wall. It was... [15:45] It was... [15:46] incredibly heavy. How bad did you get fucked up from that? [15:49] I... [15:50] Nothing. Nothing. I'm like – [15:52] It was, like, I was very lucky. I'm also hyper limber, so it just, I kind of... [15:59] accordion when on impact. [16:03] Just dumb luck. [16:04] Dump in this story of my life. [16:09] How many – I mean all told, how many stunts have you done like that? Oh, I haven't. Oh, almost –

[16:15] almost... [16:17] Yeah. Kaput. [16:19] I don't know. [16:23] Like, there's... [16:25] at least six or seven, like, close calls. And then... [16:33] In any number of stunts, they can go wrong. I don't know. [16:37] I don't really... [16:39] I just look forward. Was there ever a time when you were doing this and I was like, what the fuck have I got myself into? [16:45] Because you have to keep one-upping yourself, right? [16:50] Well, that was a. [16:51] Problem for me after we did the first movie... [16:57] I didn't want to do a second. [16:59] movie because... [17:01] I didn't know how to... [17:03] top the first one which now looks very tame compared to the others and [17:09] Finally, uh... [17:13] Tremaine said, we don't have to top it. We just have to be funny. [17:17] And I'm like, OK. [17:19] That made me free. [17:22] that [17:23] It took away all my anxiety, and I thought, okay, if that's the case – [17:29] and [17:30] A couple months later, he told me he was lying. We did have to top it. But by that time, I was already off. [17:37] in running. Jesus, dude. Yeah. Your show would really give me anxiety. [17:43] It gives the guys, they get really anxious because I know 98 people.

[17:51] 0.5% [17:53] of what's happening on the set. [17:55] Like Jeff and I each, we keep a little from each other. [17:59] So if we want to smoke one another. So but the guys don't have any idea what's happening. So by the second week, you can just literally go up and put your finger on someone's shoulder. And they're like, Jesus, they're so, so nervous. And I and I don't blame them. [18:19] And when you film one of those movies, how long is a shoot? How many months do you film for? Well, that depends. On Jackass number two... [18:30] Usually about... [18:32] We go two weeks on, two weeks off over... [18:35] four, five months, but I think jackass number two... [18:40] It was eight or nine months and finally they had to have an intervention with me to stop shooting. [18:48] They, hey, come down to the office tomorrow. We're going to finalize the edit or do something in the edit. [18:54] I'm like, all right. And I get there and it's Spike, Jeff, a few of the cast. [19:00] and [19:02] in [19:03] They're like, we're not here to talk about the edit. I'm like, okay. [19:07] like we have to stop shooting. We're like so far over. And then, [19:11] It was also about I was going to do the ski jump. [19:15] you know, the Olympic ski jump. [19:16] and [19:18] It was...

[19:21] They're like you... [19:23] We have too much footage. You can't [19:25] Let's just not. [19:27] You've already... [19:28] put yourself on the line so much you can't [19:31] And then it became like, [19:34] Well, I'm not – I didn't – [19:36] I decided not to because I felt like [19:40] this big intervention, uh, [19:42] It was like doomed to... [19:44] The stunt was doomed in my mind then that something negative was going to happen. [19:49] So I ended up... [19:51] Not doing the ski jump, but I did negotiate two more weeks of shooting out of them. How far were you supposed to jump? [19:59] until I went kaboom. I don't know. It was going to be a [20:03] The Olympic ski jump. [20:05] Like when they fly? Yeah. Do you know how to ski? Not at all. [20:13] I don't want to be good at the stunt. Nobody wants to see that. Well, I mean, you'd have to train for years to be good at it. But, I mean, I was just... I had about 20 minutes. Oh. [20:24] That didn't happen, but – [20:26] I don't even know how we got on this. [20:31] This episode is brought to you by Amazon MGM Studios' new movie, Mercy, only in theaters January 23. Set in the near future, trials are run by artificial intelligence that has access to every camera, phone, and database. Chris Pratt plays a detective on trial, and he has 90 minutes to prove his innocence to an AI judge, played by Rebecca Ferguson.

[21:01] Max 3D. Get tickets now at mercymovie.com. Rated PG-13. [21:08] Oh, well. [21:10] So are you done with all that stuff or would you consider doing it again? Well, I – [21:17] I... [21:18] can't do any [21:20] Stunt where I would get a concussion now because I've had too many the last one was really gnarly I kind of went offline for a while and what was that? I [21:33] At the end, in Jackass Forever, I dressed up as a magician. [21:37] And I got obsessed with the idea of pranking an animal. [21:42] uh, [21:44] I just wanted... [21:45] the thought of seeing the animals reaction [21:50] after the prank and that kind of [21:54] morphed into me dressing as a magician in a boring fashion. [21:59] doing the [22:00] Pouring the milk in the hat trick. [22:02] to get the bull's reaction. And apparently the bull didn't think much of my trick because it – [22:11] Well, first of all, usually when you're working with a bull in a ring – [22:17] there's a lot of soft dirt around, you know. [22:21] And I got there that morning. [22:23] And it was... [22:26] It was just... [22:27] It was dirt, but no – it was like concrete. And I thought to myself, well, that's a problem.

[22:33] And... [22:35] But we're there. I'm shooting. [22:38] So anyway, long story short, the ball, the bull hits me and I usually when a bull hits you will always they drop their head. [22:46] Right. So I always try to jump a split second before it hits me. So I get above the bull. [22:53] as opposed to below the bull, which is never any fun. [22:57] So, [22:58] But I mistimed my jump. [23:00] I jumped too early, so I jumped. [23:03] And then I start coming back down. Then the bull hits me. And it flips me like... [23:09] I do like a one and a half flip, and the only thing that stops me is the back of the head, my back of my head hitting the concrete ground. [23:19] And I got a concussion with the brain hemorrhage, a broken rib, and a broken wrist out of the deal. [23:25] Thank you. [23:26] And that was it. [23:27] And yeah, it was so amazing. [23:30] And this is after you let Butterbean KO you, too. [23:33] Lucky punch. [23:36] That fucking dude hit so hard. I watched that. I was like, don't let that happen. Don't do that. [23:43] he like everyone's like boy that knockout punch must have hurt I'm like [23:48] I didn't even feel it. Like the punches before really hurt, but the knockout punch, you don't. You've been knocked out before. You don't feel it. [23:57] That one was a pretty bad concussion, too. I had vertigo for six to eight weeks after that. Just driving around a curve, everything starts spinning. Yeah.

[24:10] Did you go to a hospital and get checked out? Well, I went to see my doctor, Dr. Kipper, and he had to sew up my head because I fell back onto the – [24:20] hard ground of the swap meet. [24:23] I... [24:24] I think I hit my head on the corner of a display counter as well. I don't know. [24:30] Fuck, dude. [24:31] Should have went to college. [24:36] Do you ever feel any responsibility for how many people you inspire to do similar things? [24:41] Um... [24:42] Thank you. [24:43] Well, I... [24:44] I hope to just entertain them and not inspire them, but I can't – I don't have any control over that except for when I do things like this, like – [24:57] Just watch. Don't do – I don't want anyone to get hurt. [25:03] Me, I'm another story. [25:06] It's kind of amazing that you're okay, you know, other than the bad concussions. Yeah, yeah. [25:12] yeah I'm pretty [25:15] okay with how it turned out. What's the worst injury that anybody ever suffered during Jackass filming? [25:21] Um... [25:24] Thank you. [25:24] Wow. [25:26] There's... [25:27] Been many concussions, breaks. [25:33] um... [25:35] I don't know. [25:38] arm breaks

[25:40] Back breaks... [25:41] Do you have any like long term problems because of it? My lower back is pretty blown out. [25:49] Um... [25:51] And who knows about – [25:54] how the concussions will rectify themselves. Hopefully, I'm... [26:01] Okay. Do you feel any lingering effects? Well, my lower back's blown out. So I just had an intercept procedure on my back about in early December. They go, the nerve and the vertebrae. [26:16] They go in and somehow use radio frequency heat to basically – [26:24] burn the nerve so it can't send the signal to your brain that it's hurt? [26:30] Oh, so you just walk around hurt, but you don't feel it? I don't know. Yeah. [26:35] I'm fine with that. Is it doing continual damage or is it just – [26:39] pain. [26:40] I think it seems to be – and that's an excellent question that I did not ask, nor did I care about, but thank you for bringing it up. I think to me it's just pain. So I – you know. Jesus Christ. [26:55] Have you done anything else for it? Like there's a bunch of different – is it a herniated disc? Yeah, but the lower two discs are herniated. And I had shots in the facet joints. [27:08] of my lower, uh,

[27:10] back. It was like they put some kind of steroid in there and it didn't [27:14] give the result that [27:16] I wanted... [27:17] Have you ever heard of a machine called a reverse hyper? No. There's a machine that a guy named Louie Simmons, he was this legendary powerlifter guy. He developed because he had fucked his discs up powerlifting, and the doctors told him that he needed to fuse his disc. Yeah. Because they were compressed. And he's like, well, can't we decompress them? And they're like, no, there's no way. He's like, well, there's got to be a way. [27:47] It's a piece of exercise. That's Louie. He developed this machine. Looks like something that happened to Ving Rhames in Pulp Fiction. [27:58] What does the machine do? It strengthens and – On the way up, when she's lifting with her legs, it's strengthening her back. And on the downswing, it's actively decompressing your back. [28:09] So it pulls the discs apart and creates space. I love this machine. I have one at home. I have one here at the studio. I use it all the time. [28:18] It's really an important piece of equipment for anybody that has a lower back injury or who wants to prevent lower back injuries. And just for overall strength is a very odd movement to be able to recreate. [28:30] Oh, great. I'm going to look into that. Yeah, I'll show it to you. We'll have it in the gym afterwards. I'll show it to you after the podcast. Oh, sweet. Thanks. You should get one. It'll help you. Yeah. And there's another thing called a teeter. You know those things you hang by your ankles?

[28:42] Yeah. Where you like decompress. Yeah. They developed one called the Dex where you hinge from your waist. So you like get in this thing, you strap your legs in and you lean forward and it's like you're hanging from like that. So you're hanging from your hips. Like all your weight is being like set on your thighs and your back carries all the weight and it just slowly like pop, pop, pop. It decompresses. It feels great. [29:10] Well, there you go. That thing fucking rules. I always tell everybody if you have a back injury, you have back problems, that thing will help you a lot. Just do that for a few minutes every day and slowly over time it creates space. [29:23] And it alleviates some of the pinching and, you know... [29:27] problems that people have, depending, of course, on the severity of your injury. Yeah. I love that thing. All right. [29:34] Might be getting a couple pieces of equipment. Yeah, man. You've got to prevent... [29:38] So how the fuck did they talk to you into hosting Fear Factor? How'd that happen? [29:42] I met with [29:44] Uh... [29:46] Sharon Levy, who runs in the mall. I know Sharon. [29:50] Shout out to Sharon Levy. She's awesome. And I – [29:54] I was like, I'm on the fence, you know? Yeah. [29:59] And I sat down with her and I liked her so much. [30:04] Because she seems like – how did a woman like you that is – [30:08] like awesome. Get a job is the head of, you know. Right. She seems very rebellious. Right. And I just thought

[30:17] Yeah, I'm in. [30:19] So it happened over a lunch. [30:22] Really? Yeah, I really liked her. [30:24] One of the problems that we had with Fear Factors, we did – [30:28] 148 episodes initially and then we came back for a brief amount of time but they wanted to really ramp it up. [30:36] Like, it was like, these tuts are going to be bigger and crazier than ever. And I was relieved when it got canceled because I was like, we're going to fuck somebody up. [30:45] Yeah, you felt what kind of – you have a couple of examples? Well, there was a bunch in the early days. Like, first of all, the first one that we ever did where I was like, don't do this, was bull riding. [30:57] made people bull ride. And this one lady was like, she probably weighed like 98 pounds. Right. And she got on the back of the boat. I'm like, she's not going to be able to hang on at all. She's going to go flying. It was hilarious. The stunt guys. [31:10] are some of the most savage, fucking psychotic, zero fear at all for their safety. Right. Like, they get so hardened by it over time. Yeah. Just not normal people. And this guy, Perry, I was like, dude, what, you're going to make them ride a bull? He's like, don't worry about it, boo, these are stunt bulls. I go, that's what he said. [31:34] I go, does that bull know he's a stunt bull? They got their Sank card. I bet he has no fucking idea. I bet he just thinks he's a bull. So they're in the cage before they do it. The bull's fucking fucking. Yeah. And he's just a fucking tank. Yeah. And I'm just going, don't. I told the people, I'm like, don't do it. Don't do it. Just quit, man. Just don't do it.

[31:52] It was like one of the only things where I was like, I wouldn't do it. I'm telling you right now, I would never do this. Were the bulls, were they the bulls that were, because certain bulls, [32:01] Well, you – they get upset if you ride them, but after you fall off, they don't try to hook you. Did these bulls try to hook them after they got – They had handlers that steered the bull away from the people. And they did a good job with that. But, I mean, who fucking knows? They don't want you on them. They weigh – [32:18] 2,000 pounds. They're all muscle. Like the thing was so powerful. Like you could feel it when it was in the cage, which is fucking moving around. I was like, don't do this. And they're smart. [32:31] Like bulls are very smart. That's why, unfortunately, uh, [32:37] You know, in Spanish bullfighting, they kill the bull, which I'm not... [32:41] on board with. But [32:43] because [32:45] They learn your movements. You can't make the same movement [32:48] twice in a row with a bull because they're going to go, oh, okay. [32:51] I'm going to be, you're going to do that and I'm going to be right here waiting on you. [32:56] It's unfair. And you can't have anyone... [32:59] move behind the fence when it's on because... [33:03] Bulls can easily jump over the fence. A lot of them just don't know they can. So if you frighten them or provoke them, they're just going to jump over the fence. And then they have like – [33:14] 35 people they can smoke. [33:18] Yeah, when we work with bulls, the set is different.

[33:23] The set is different. [33:25] The guy, Gary LeFue, who supplies our bulls, he was world champion in 1970. [33:32] And. [33:34] when we first started working with him and it stuck with us the whole time. He's like, when we have bulls on the set, [33:40] I don't want... [33:41] anyone, any kind of negativity going around the set. It's already hard enough with the bull. If there's anyone negative or any negativity, that person's off the set. [33:52] And – Negativity like in what way? Just if there's any like – [33:57] Saying negative things or they've had a fight with someone right before. Any kind of negative vibes. No negative vibes. The Bulls sense is negative vibes? Just, well, the whole thing. [34:09] Everyone on the set senses negative vibes and everyone has to be completely present and positive for this. [34:18] Is this voodoo or is this like real science? No, I – [34:22] I think it makes total sense, especially – [34:27] when you're doing stunts, when you're doing a stunt that can forever alter you, [34:32] I don't like any negativity either. And also, if you're doing something that can forever alter you, you have to want to be there and want to be doing it. [34:45] You can't halfway go into it because then you're really going to get fucked up. So this is just some of the – And this is knowledge you've acquired over time.

[34:53] Yeah, no, that's true. If you like half commit in something that, [34:58] you're going to get [35:01] Yeah, it's bad. [35:04] It's going to be bad anyway, but you need to want to be there. [35:10] What a bizarre life skill. [35:15] Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? What a bizarre skill. I know how to survive – [35:20] doing something you really shouldn't do that could alter you forever. Stay positive. Well, that's – it doesn't – it's not a guarantee, Joe, but it does – I think it does help. We did a bunch of other stuff that was not bulls, like with cars and trucks and stuff, where I was like, ooh. Like we had a close call once with this lady who was strapped to the front of a truck, and she was supposed to go through some sort of an obstacle course. [35:50] They blew through some boxes, and the box got on the windshield of the other car, and the other car almost slammed into her legs. Yeah. [36:00] And she was screaming because she thought it hit her. And it was like, we were like, what the fuck are we doing? Was that when you guys came back for the second round? Yeah, that was the second round. [36:10] Yeah, the second round was sketchy. You know, we had people like getting – they were attached to a tree, and they had to figure out which key to unlock them while a bungee cord was attached to them and a helicopter. [36:22] And so once they got the thing unlocked, they would fucking rocket off of this tree. Up through the limbs. No, no, no. There was – luckily it wasn't that. There was no branches that could have got them. But that would have been funnier. It would have been funnier, like through the branches and shit. So they rocket over a fucking giant canyon. Like we're on the top of this canyon. And they just went flying while they were being bungee jumped on the bottom of this fucking helicopter. It was terrifying.

[36:52] They were so high. If anything went wrong, they were dead as fuck. 100% dead. Oh, man. Yeah. That's sketchy. Oh, there was so much sketchy stuff. And then it ultimately got canceled because they had a drink come. [37:04] Did you ever see that episode? No, no. Yeah, that's what sunk us. So there was only two times. What year was what what kind of? [37:14] Donkey. [37:15] Donkey Kong. [37:16] Ah. Yeah. That'll do it every time, Joe. Yeah. And they got Donkey Kong because it's the cheapest come. [37:23] Yeah, yeah. Boars ejaculate 15 ounces at a time. Whoa. [37:30] A wild boar, like a pig? Yeah, 15 ounces. That's a lot. That's a lot. [37:36] Yeah. That's a fucking beer stein. Yeah. Yeah. So this is it. [37:41] This summer, the Cup is taking over the U.S., and only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. Follow every group stage upset, every knockout round thriller, every stoppage time moment that flips the whole tournament. Sweat all the big matches you love in real time with a seamless experience built for the world's biggest stage. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app. [38:11] Sign up with CodeRogan. Spend $5 to get $200 in rewards within 21 days. That's CodeRogan in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours.

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[40:17] Yeah. [40:18] Just that bleachy smell that the ladies like – [40:24] between the two of them were fighting over who drank the piss. They wanted to drink. They didn't want to drink the piss. They were happy to drink the cum. [40:32] which I guess tracks, you know, like been there, done that, not in that kind of volume. But what's the worst that could happen? Whereas the guys were like really trying not to drink the cum. You know, I don't know what they did to decide because they had to decide like one of them was going to drink cum. One of them is going to drink piss. So that was one of two times, two times where I was hosting the show where I said to the producers, don't do this. [40:58] Don't do this. I'm like, the show's going to get canceled. They're like, no, we're fine. NBC approved it. They did. They're the bellwethers of good taste. There's a fucking guy on set who is like the NBC standards guy, the standards and practices guy. And I'm like, you're okay with this? Like, this is okay. And they're like, yeah, the network's fine with it. I'm like, this is so fucking. You guys are too close to this. I'm like, you guys are too close to this. You don't understand how the general public's going to react. [41:28] I think what happened, I think it was TMZ. [41:31] But someone leaked... [41:33] The footage online, someone leaked like images of people drinking kind of like fear factor crosses the line. And then the outrage was palpable. It was like some serious outrage. And then that show never aired in America, but it aired overseas.

[41:50] I think it aired in like maybe the Netherlands or something like that. Right. Killed in Germany. Which is where Fear Factor actually came from. Fear Factor was actually a show in the Netherlands called Now or Neverland. Ah. And then they brought it over to America. When they went end of all, purchased it. And then they changed it to – I think then they came up with the name Fear Factor after that. That was like one I was already on board. Yeah. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. [42:20] Actually, no blowback after Pontius drank horse cum in Jackass No. 2. [42:26] Never heard about it. Well, it wasn't on TV, at least. There's something about television, you know, censored, you know. [42:34] Federal communications approved. [42:38] Yeah, I know. And they drank cum. So that got us canceled. That was it. That was like 2000, I guess, 11 or something like that. [42:47] 12. How many seasons do you do? [42:51] I think we did six or seven initially, and then we did another – [42:59] Yeah, and then we did another six episodes, one of them that never aired. Did you help write creative? No, no, no, no, no. You didn't want any fire to that? I had zero. No, what I would do is I'd show up at work, I'd get in my trailer, I'd take an edible, and then I would go to the set. And I'm like, what do we got? I did the first four episodes I did sober. And I was like, this is so boring. I need to get high.

[43:29] enjoy it because then it was like this is an adventure. What a great gig. [43:33] Oh, it was a fun gig. Yeah. I had so much fun, too, because all I did was talk. Yeah. You know? Oh, it's easy. I ate a lot of shit. I ate a lot of things to try to encourage people, you know? Because after a while, I got so numb. Oh, you would do the things with them? I'd be like, you could do it. Look, I'll do it. I'll do it for you. Yeah. And some of the times when I did it to just try to help people, I'm like, look, I'm going to show you. I'm going to do it, and then you're going to do it. Yeah. And then we didn't even air me doing it. Yeah. Because I was like, because they didn't want to make it seem like it was so, because I [44:03] Right. [44:06] I could just take a roach and just throw it down. Yeah, yeah. Take a worm and throw it down. I'm like, just do it. It's not that hard. It's all in your fucking head. Because I was trying to like. You know, I get it. Like coach people through it. I, when I took the job, I'm like, I, this, I'm just going to like. [44:22] give people hell, you know, the whole time, you know, and make their fears worse. But then I get to set and I – [44:30] There's a human in front of you, and I'm like, I don't know. These are regular people, and they really have fear. So I'm going to try – I ended up like you trying to help them do it. But I was – I never wanted to – [44:44] Uh... [44:47] like [44:48] do what they were doing for the fact that [44:51] I never wanted that footage to be seen like I'm trying to – you know, like you were just – like you had confidence that they wouldn't show that. And I'm like – They showed a few things. They showed me eating like spiders. They showed me eating a roach. But I ate a lot of stuff that they never saw. Right, yeah. Or I did some things that they – because I just wanted these people to do it. No, I get it. I'm like you can do it. It's in your head. I'm like you just got to decide – like your mind has to decide I'm just going to do this. Just do it. Just go ahead and do it.

[45:21] I can't believe I'm doing it. Just fucking do it. Chew, swallow, chew, swallow. I would just talk them through it. Yeah. And I became like a... [45:29] a fucking motivational coach or something like that was weird. Yeah, that's real because after there was on the first, there was one girl that, [45:38] quit [45:39] And she's like, I'm not continuing this bit, this stunt. What was it? Can you say that? It was something with snakes, right? And it was a big fear. And after that, I got the cast together, and I'm like – [45:56] At least always... [45:58] try to do what we're doing. Don't [46:01] Don't let the fear stop you. [46:03] Just always try. And after that, [46:06] Like everyone... [46:07] Even if they were horrified, they made an effort, and I felt good about it. [46:11] about that and I think they did too. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some people, but it's, sometimes it's good that someone quits. So you realize like, this is real. Like some people, like especially snakes, snakes, Tim, there's something about a phidia phobia that I think is primal. I think it's in your DNA. I think either your ancestors were either bitten by a snake and [46:41] And that... [46:43] Information is encoded in your DNA because the fear that people have of snakes is fucking wild. Like when they have legitimate aphidiophobia, it is a fucking crazy fear to watch. Yeah, it's like their whole body locks up. They start shaking like it's not a normal fear. It's like an ancient caveman fear that's locked into their DNA. Like someone thousands of years ago survived something like this.

[47:13] only reason why you're here and every fiber of your being wants to fucking run away from snakes. It's wonderful. It has to be. When someone has that, it's like, bam. Bam. [47:25] terrified of snakes. Oh really? Terrified. And [47:31] Of course we use that to our advantage. Of course. Yeah. Well, we would make people fill out a questionnaire when they would sign up for Fear Factor. Like, what are your fears? Heights, snakes, spiders. Well, you're getting heights, snakes, and spiders. I would write tequila, whiskey, blowjobs. [47:48] I hate back massages. Yeah. Yeah. It was fascinating because I had a background in martial arts and teaching. [48:01] I took a lot of people to tournaments and I coached a lot of people in Taekwondo tournaments and they'd be fucking terrified. And I learned how to lock in with them and how to get them into a certain mindset as a coach. And I'd be like, look, you're going to get past this and this is going to be like one of the highlights of your life because you're absolutely terrified. And this fear on the other side will – it will be a completely different feeling. You'll have a feeling of accomplishment. [48:31] That you can overcome very terrifying situations and you can triumph and you could do this. Like you have skills. You just have to be able to go out there and perform and you can do it. And I'd get in their head. I carried that over to Fear Factor sometimes because there was people that just needed help. Like they didn't – they had never experienced anything that really freaked them out before. They'd never experienced the kind of pressure of not just a competition but a competition where they're doing something kind of dangerous.

[49:01] would freak them out. They have to hold their breath underwater for like two minutes while they swim through a fucking thing. And we have rescue divers under there, rescue them. There's panic. [49:10] And it was like – that was one thing that was really satisfying was being able to like take a person who was ready to fucking quit and then they went on and won the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, that does make you feel good to push someone to the other side. And the survivor's euphoria waiting for you will – [49:31] I heard that [49:32] I read about that term. [49:35] Survivor's Euphoria. And I and I realized I'd experienced it multiple times. Yeah. Yeah. There's a you're in a. [49:43] Colonel John Paul Stapp? No. He was a... [49:47] Doctor, biophysicist, flight surgeon, and he worked with – [49:55] Chuck Yeager and... [49:58] all... [49:59] that [50:00] out at... [50:02] Uh... [50:03] Edwards. [50:04] It was... [50:05] It's now Edwards Air Force Base, and they were conducting experiments on... [50:10] uh, [50:12] What happens to a pilot when they eject? [50:15] at high altitude. And Colonel John Paul Stapp [50:21] because these experiments were gnarly. They're on deceleration. They built this huge sled. [50:27] out in the desert, and he would strap himself in because –

[50:32] The thinking at the time was if you're going to do something, a very dangerous experiment. [50:38] A lot of times people back then would put themselves at the center because they didn't want to. Of course, they had other people doing it. [50:45] And he did it most, though. So they would go hundreds of miles per hour, yes. Whoa. Hundreds of miles per hour and stop within eight feet. Yeah. [50:56] And at the time, I think they thought you could only experience – [51:01] Maybe 18 G's of deceleration. [51:05] He at one time experienced 49 G's of deceleration. I think it's the most interesting. [51:11] Ever that any human is. And he went blind for a little bit and he knew that was going to happen because he had that happen before in these experiments. Yeah. [51:21] And the night before, the one where he got 49 G's, experienced 49 G's, he went around his house. [51:27] with his eyes closed, [51:29] uh, [51:30] And just trying to do things. [51:33] like Cook, if he did go blind forever. He's one of the most... [51:39] At one time, he was known as the fastest man alive. [51:42] On that sled, he went faster than anyone at the time. [51:46] He and he's the reason we have seatbelts in cars. He's one of the most. [51:50] Brilliant man of the 20th century. He was on the cover of Time magazine. No one knows who he is today. Wow. But he talked about Survivor's euphoria, and that's where I learned about it. What did he say about it?

[52:03] Just the endorphins that get released after going through something. [52:11] like that, and that you did survive, and it's just... [52:15] It just fills you up. So he knew he was going to go blind, and he did it anyway. He knew that there was a high probability of going blind. And a possibility of being blind forever. Yes. [52:27] And he was blind for like a couple of days before he started getting sensing light again. Yeah. He's an amazing person. [52:39] amazing person. I did a flight with the blue angels once. [52:44] How was that? It was amazing. First of all, you don't... [52:48] You never think of that being a physical thing, that those guys have to be physically fit. Oh, yeah. When we went to the base, before you... [52:58] you know do the whole safety thing they explain everything what you're gonna have to do you see like that these guys are all fucking jacked they're all like superheroes yeah it's because they're not the bigot they're they're short like me and they're all like thick they're all like jacked dudes and they were like well first of all you don't want to be tall because it's all about how much time it takes for the blood to get from your heart to your brain and the shorter distance [53:28] you are and you have to be physically strong because you do it. Have you ever done it? You ever done a flight in a fighter jet? No, but we did the vomit comet in Russia. Oh, okay. But Steve O went up in a MiG.

[53:40] They do a thing called hooking. So what it is is like you hold on to the joystick or there's straps that strap your legs down as well, like you're really harnessed in. You hold on to your straps. You go like this. [53:53] What you're literally doing is forcing blood into your brain because you feel consciousness closing like an elevator door. It's like you feel the pressure, like you're going black. You literally see it. You see the darkness on the side. [54:10] trying to keep the blood in your brain. [54:13] We went seven and a half Gs, but the guy in front of me, while we're doing this, so you're taking this fucking hot – you're, like, flying through these canyons. Like, he was going for it. Like, he really took me on a ride. It wasn't a safe ride. It was wild. We were, like, a couple hundred feet off the ground maybe and whipping through these canyons, taking these fucking hard turns. And I heard him going, hoot, hoot, hoot. So I'm going, oh, fuck, he's blacking out too? [54:43] whipping through these canyons. This guy's about to fucking black out too. That's not what you want to hear. It was terrifying, but also like, [54:51] It's super educational. Like you just see people flying around. You're like, oh, it's probably like driving a car. No, it's unbelievably physically demanding. And the Blue Angels, they don't use gravity suits, or at least they didn't. No – they don't use decompression suits? No, it's just a regular flight suit. Well, did they not go up to a certain – what altitude were they performing? Well, it's just a jet. It's a jet. It's not like you have to – like you're not in a spaceship, right?

[55:21] able to stay conscious. And the thing about the gravity suit is I guess somehow or another it aids your ability to absorb all those G's. [55:29] I'm not really educated about it, but I just do know that he said there's ways that you wear suits that make this easier, but they don't wear the suits. [55:38] Yeah, I think if you go up to a certain altitude, you have to have – Right, but this wasn't an altitude thing. Right, right. This was just a G-force thing. It was just the hard turns. It was like the wicked turns at hundreds of miles an hour. And also just thinking about the tolerances of the aircraft itself and the pressure that's on the hull. Because the feeling of being in a jet going hundreds of miles an hour and then hitting a hard turn. [56:08] body just like fuck yeah and you're just and you're just along for the ride yeah like they i mean they're so skilled to be able to overcome the forces he let me do some stuff like uh i got to make the the jet do a loop oh wow i got to get it to to roll over to get it to go upside down to go back over yeah he showed me how to do that [56:30] Wow. And you were in control of it? Well, I mean, he's there, too, in case I do something really fucking stupid. I'm sure he has ultimate control, but I have a joystick, too. [56:39] I was allowed to do some stuff. Do you think... [56:42] I mean, they could give you a joystick and it, [56:45] not be connected to anything too and make you just feel good but it was connected yeah clearly tell while you're moving right oh man that's that's pretty scary it it made you want to get one of those things like how dope would it be to have one get one of those jets yeah because you can get one of those if you're like a super rich guy well yeah you can get one but you gotta you know i mean how much is a because we we looked this up one day you could buy like decommissioned

[57:15] You can get a decommissioned fighter jet. If you're like some fucking psychotic billionaire and you got your own landing strip, you could get a fucking fighter jet. Oh, yeah. Which is gnarly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you go to Russia, you could probably get one fully loaded. $1,500, dog. $1,500. $1.5 million. [57:35] Close. A million. It's a million. Well, shit. Look at this one. $395,000, you get one. What's like a really dope one? [57:45] Make it price 5-4. What is that one? For 5 million bucks, what do you get? [57:54] In 1992, McDonnell Douglas... [57:58] Skyhawk [58:00] I mean, for that price, you should get a couple of rockets with it. Come on. Well, I bet you could go to Russia, and they'll give you some rockets. Oh, man, yeah, we shot in Russia, and you can literally do anything you want in Russia. [58:11] They let me get on a military base and shoot missiles out of a cannon. They took Steve-O up in a MiG. This was back when we were friendly with Russia. Yeah, yeah. [58:23] This episode is brought to you by Athletic Brewing Company. So here we are. It's the new year, which means it's about time to hit reset. Just because it's January doesn't mean you need to disappear into a cold plunge and never drink again. [58:36] Just rotate in some athletic, non-alcoholic beer. You get the taste, the perfect meal pairing, and the night out, but you wake up without the hangover. With over 185 taste awards, they brew all kinds of styles. IPAs, Goldens, Hazies, you name it. Athletic is proud-brewed in America and sold at over 75,000 grocery or liquor stores, bars, and restaurants across the country.

[59:06] their website go to athleticbrewing.com slash rogan to find stores near you or get brews shipped right to your door use code rogan to get 15 off your first online order near beer terms and conditions and certain limitations apply athletic brewing company fit for all times yeah it's like [59:30] Wow. And... [59:32] It was... [59:33] It was wild. [59:35] Russia, we had so much fun. Do you ever look back on how surreal your life has been and all these experiences? I feel it a lot. [59:49] For example, in Russia... [59:51] Because growing up, [59:53] Like you would do those disaster drills in school in case Russia dropped the bomb and run out behind your locker and put your head between your legs. Like that would help if a bomb was dropped. Yeah. But they were such the bad guy. And then it was 2005, and I'm – [1:00:10] Now I'm on it. [1:00:12] I've been in movies and I'm over there. And that felt very – [1:00:16] Surreal. [1:00:17] to be in Russia and think about [1:00:20] what's happened to my life. There are moments like that. Well, it was weird, too, because you got out of it and became a movie star, but then – [1:00:30] You were doing it again. Like you were right back in. And it kind of started...

[1:00:36] In Russia. [1:00:37] actually. We were doing [1:00:41] a bit... [1:00:43] We've done a few things over in Russia, and we were doing something with the Russian Special Forces where we were on a – [1:00:52] Like, uh... [1:00:54] We're going to run through this. What do you call it? When you're there's dogs and obstacle course. Yeah, we're on obstacle course. [1:01:01] And they had all these things set up. I'm like, all right, well – [1:01:05] I was like, Jeff, why don't you... [1:01:07] Have their attack dog attack me. And then... [1:01:12] shoot me with the rubber bullets and then have the guy [1:01:16] kick me in the face when I get to the end. [1:01:20] And [1:01:22] Uh... [1:01:23] And we shot that, and the dog attacked me. [1:01:27] The Russian guy, the special forces guy said, I'm not going to kick you in the face. But he did deliver a nice blow to my solar plexus. I had to beg him to do it three times to like, you know, you got to like do it as hard as you can. [1:01:43] But Jeff pulled me aside and goes, look, if this was just for a while at the TV show, Wild Boys, I would travel with them sometimes. He goes, if you're going to go this hard for basic cable. Yeah. [1:01:52] Why don't we do another movie? And I was like, all right. How many movies have you guys done? [1:02:01] We've done four. [1:02:03] And we just announced we're going to do – I just announced we're going to do another – it's going to be out June 26th. Have you filmed it already? No, we're about to film it in February. Oh, dude. Late February.

[1:02:18] So start then. Yeah. [1:02:21] Do you feel apprehension? Do you feel like... [1:02:24] No. No. [1:02:25] No, I... [1:02:27] But you can't get a concussion. [1:02:29] No, I can't get any concussions, but I mean, I don't care if I break my arm or leg. No one cares about that. It's just I can't have it. You don't care about breaking your arm or your leg? No. Really? No. [1:02:39] Really? [1:02:40] No. So this is something – this is like a feeling that you've developed this. I don't care. You didn't have that when you first started doing it. [1:02:50] I guess there was probably some self-worth issues when I began. [1:02:57] It didn't come from a healthy place, Joe. But it's not just that. It's like you don't have a fear of being, like, radically injured. [1:03:04] Because if you blow your knee out or you blow your leg out, you're limping for the rest of your life. [1:03:09] I don't, it doesn't, that doesn't bother me. Really? [1:03:12] God, I'm so averse to that shit. It's like the... [1:03:18] producer side of me overrides the performer side. It's like, hey, but we're going to get footage. [1:03:23] And it's about as simple as that. So – [1:03:28] you'll still do dangerous shit. You just don't want to do anything dangerous. I just can't get any concussions. I don't care about, yeah. But if you're going to be in a violent... [1:03:37] situation where you could break an arm or a leg, you easily could get a concussion as well. Well, you got to assess, Joe. [1:03:46] Risk assessment? What the fuck does your waivers look like?

[1:03:52] Thank you. [1:03:53] Yeah, I don't know. It was, you know, on the first movie, they, we... [1:03:58] The insurance companies insured it per bid. They didn't insure the whole movie. They just insured it per bid. Yeah, that's how they did with Fear Factor as well. So some bids – [1:04:09] costs were the insurance is going to be more than the whole first movie so i can't do those [1:04:15] But after that, we find a shady insurance company and they take care of us. Once you started acting, though, and doing big movies, wasn't there any part of you that was like, okay, I'm done with this? [1:04:28] No, it's so fun. It's something that I created with my friends, right? And then there's probably my wires. [1:04:40] Got crossed somehow, and then I learned to like it. I would love it. [1:04:46] you know. [1:04:47] uh... [1:04:50] I guess it's like a... [1:04:53] comedian... [1:04:54] Learning to love bombing. [1:04:57] Right? [1:04:58] No one learns to love bombing. [1:05:01] Really, I've talked to a couple comedians, and they're like, you've got to learn to, like, [1:05:06] Love it. Basically, not fear it. [1:05:09] Yeah. And... [1:05:11] And I kind of did that with... [1:05:15] stunts, I guess. I like to learn [1:05:17] I just... [1:05:20] I just liked it. Wow. Wow.

[1:05:23] You ever talk to a shrink about that? [1:05:26] Well, while I was... [1:05:27] doing... [1:05:30] I have a therapist, and I'm like, okay, we can talk about everything in my life, but not the part of me that does stunts. [1:05:38] Really? Yeah. [1:05:39] Because I didn't want to unwind that. [1:05:43] Even though... [1:05:44] It... [1:05:45] It went sideways quite a few times. That's a wild statement. I didn't want to unwind that. Yeah. Yeah. [1:05:51] So I've looked into it a little now that I can't get any more concussions. [1:05:58] Don't crush my career. Yeah, right. What a crazy job for the therapist. Yeah. Like the one area where you really probably should address. [1:06:09] You know what I mean? You have this like overall, what is Johnny Knoxville? What's going on in his head? And there's this one door. Yeah, you can't go in that room. Yeah, we can't. The biggest problem we can't address is... [1:06:22] Um, [1:06:23] It's kind of a crazy thing. [1:06:28] Well, again, I should have went to college. Do you get annoyed having to answer all these questions all the time about that kind of shit? Because after a while, I would imagine, like, that is the most... [1:06:39] common thing that people would want to talk to you about like how many times you've been hurt what happened what is it like [1:06:46] No, I don't. I mean, I... [1:06:50] Again, I get the joke, what I would be doing if I wasn't doing this. Yeah.

[1:06:55] Yeah. [1:06:56] I'm grateful. And so somebody wants to talk about it. Let's talk. Well, you're obviously a smart guy. I don't buy that. You could do anything. [1:07:04] Well, I... [1:07:05] When I started down this road, this was my best guess, so... [1:07:11] You know. [1:07:11] It just became... [1:07:13] something I'm doing and [1:07:18] Yeah. [1:07:19] I guess... [1:07:19] I did want to write, but I incorporate that into the movies. [1:07:25] It was a very strange life, Johnny. [1:07:28] Yeah, I guess, yeah. [1:07:30] For sure. Um... [1:07:32] Thank you. [1:07:33] Yeah, I kind of... [1:07:36] Uh... [1:07:38] created [1:07:39] the [1:07:41] environment [1:07:42] that I grew up in with my father. He owned a tire company [1:07:48] And he had all these crazy characters working for him. [1:07:53] People like Big George, Ass Kicking Robert, this guy SD's named Super Dick. One guy named WW Woodrow Wilson Boxcar Johnson Jr. He was the tire groover who was always getting arrested for one thing or another. [1:08:09] um... [1:08:10] And he was always pranking these people at work. [1:08:14] his people that work for him [1:08:17] He would stage gunfights. [1:08:19] At Christmas parties. [1:08:21] What? [1:08:22] He did this twice. One year at the Christmas party, he gave a couple of the guys, his employees, guns and said, okay, I want you guys to get an argument.

[1:08:30] And I want to culminate with you pulling out a gun and firing and you pulling out your gun. They were blank guns. [1:08:38] and [1:08:39] Everyone just... [1:08:40] It was in a pretty gnarly part of town, too, but everyone just ran out into the streets. Dad was ecstatic. So the next year, there are two new employees, and he's like, hey – [1:08:52] Hey Merle, come over here. [1:08:53] Are you guys going to get in a fight? [1:08:55] and you're going to start yelling and you're going to pull out the guns and it's the same gag. [1:09:00] So they did it, and they were very excited, and they pulled out the gun and started firing, but Dad had given everyone else in the party a blank gun. So they started firing back at those dudes. Those dudes take off running down the street. [1:09:12] Yeah, it's just kind of imitating what my father did, I guess. Did your father feel any responsibility? [1:09:19] Thank you. [1:09:20] Dad loved... [1:09:22] I jackass but hated the parts where I would do stunts. [1:09:26] My whole family did. Of course. [1:09:30] and [1:09:31] But they, you know... [1:09:33] I just... [1:09:34] Doing what I saw growing up, he would send letters to his friends from the VD clinic. [1:09:39] Rubber stamped on the envelope saying you have to list your last 10 partners because you've contracted a venereal disease sign. Dr. Harlan C. Titmore. [1:09:49] But people would get these letters or worse. [1:09:52] The guy's wife would get the letter. [1:09:54] And the thing about something like that, people become angry and emotional and then they believe everything.

[1:10:02] That's the great thing about pranks. If you can get someone so wound up that they're really emotional, they'll believe anything. [1:10:09] These guys would come home from work, and then the mother – like his wife would be there. The wife's mother would be there. He had a gun pulled on him over that once. Yeah. [1:10:20] A real gun. Oh, yeah. Real guns. [1:10:23] Your dad sounds like a fucking maniac. He would send letters out from... [1:10:30] The IRS telling people they're going to be audited. Yeah. [1:10:34] Bye. [1:10:35] He got visited by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation over that. He didn't do that anymore. [1:10:44] Well, that makes more sense now. [1:10:46] Okay, so you grew up in a very unusual environment. Yeah, very unusual. [1:10:53] how did your dad get started doing shit like that was just i don't know he just had that personality he was such a shit starter [1:11:00] He should have been in show business. [1:11:03] is what should have been, but he... [1:11:06] Did you ever think about using them? [1:11:08] - Ah. [1:11:09] He was in one episode. [1:11:12] Uh... [1:11:13] it [1:11:14] When we were doing the TV show, my mom and him were in the episode. But he wrote a couple of bits for Jack. He was like, hey, I want you to do this. And we filmed a couple. Yeah. [1:11:24] See, he loved that. [1:11:27] So... [1:11:29] Yeah, he... [1:11:31] I don't know. He didn't know how to go about being in show business.

[1:11:35] Neither did I either. But it seems like he was doing his own – almost like a local play. Yeah. He was doing his own version of it for himself. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Just to entertain himself. [1:11:46] I guess you could do that when you're the boss. Yeah. Yeah. [1:11:49] He, uh... [1:11:50] In high school, I'd be laying on the couch. I took a nap. [1:11:55] You know, it was like a junior, senior, or whatever. [1:12:00] I felt something go through my lips, and he went and got a hot dog and microwaved it until it was lukewarm. [1:12:08] And [1:12:09] drugged the hot dog through my lips, and then when I woke up, he acted like he was zipping his pants. [1:12:16] He thought – and just him laughing at his own joke just made everything – he thought it was the funniest thing. And then, like, you're on board too. [1:12:29] He was a character. Well, that makes more sense now. Yeah. Because I'm like, how does a normal guy – [1:12:34] dive into something like jackass is that makes more sense yeah you're sort of indoctrinated at an early age very early some of the shit that made me the most uncomfortable is the wild boy stuff like uh steve-o showed me a video of him when he climbed a tree and the lions came up the tree and took his hat which is which is disrespectful if you think about it just take his hat fortunate [1:13:01] Because if they didn't have the hat, they might have just grabbed his whole head and just dragged him off. You know? Yeah.

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[1:16:37] Just hope for the best. Yeah, and they have instincts. [1:16:40] Like if you twist your ankle and they see you limping? Oh, yeah. I was doing a thing with – [1:16:46] We were in Argentina at this zoo. [1:16:49] and [1:16:52] We were like, hey, can I get in with the Lions? Because there was a couple of keepers in there with it. [1:16:58] They're like, yeah, come on in. [1:17:01] and [1:17:02] And [1:17:03] They're like, but whatever you do. [1:17:05] Don't trip and fall. [1:17:07] I'm like, oh, shit. [1:17:09] And so I got on a bike and started riding around the pen. [1:17:14] and [1:17:15] And they're like, if we give you a signal, you got to. And so I'm riding around the pen. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Get down. Get off. Get up. Cause the lion locked in on me and was about to attack me. And they heard me out of the pen. And afterwards they're like, yeah, that was the first time anyone, aside from us, has been in the pen with them. And it's also mating season. So he's very aggressive. I'm like, [1:17:37] Like, well, I wish you'd have told me that before I got in there. Well, I still would have went in there, but it was a real half-ass thing. [1:17:44] uh, [1:17:45] type of situation. It's just like you guys just have avoided death [1:17:49] Over and over and over again. [1:17:52] Yeah, we've been lucky. [1:17:56] But, like... [1:17:58] That's a fucked up way to go through life. [1:18:02] I guess, but... We had a ball. Waxing philosophically. I don't know, man. It just...

[1:18:09] Hmm. [1:18:11] That's what we were doing. Well, you had a ball. And for sure, you entertained the fuck out of millions and millions of people who laughed their asses off and had a great fucking time watching. I get... [1:18:22] I don't know why, but I get anxiety. I have a really hard time watching those things. [1:18:27] I avoid them. A lot of my friends are like, we're going to see Jackass. I'm like, I don't. I can't. [1:18:33] I get freaked out. I don't want anybody to get hurt. It's weird. Yeah, I feel that way when, like, one of the guys is doing something, like, pretty gnarly. I'm not... [1:18:45] static overwatching something that could have a forever consequence. Um, [1:18:50] But with me. [1:18:51] I don't know. I'm just like, let's go. I just... [1:18:54] It's just... [1:18:56] It's fun. I know, but even after you have a family and even after you have kids that are watching their dad get fucked up, [1:19:04] Well, that's the thing I wouldn't. [1:19:08] I didn't want my kids to see that. [1:19:10] But they had to see it. At a certain age. Like I didn't let my – [1:19:14] oldest daughter. [1:19:17] She can watch things with Wee Man or this or that. [1:19:20] And... [1:19:21] But I didn't let her come to a movie until she was 14. I made her sit right next to me. [1:19:26] And I said, Madison, there are some times you have to close your eyes, sometimes cover your ears, and sometimes both. And I had the list of bits and bits. [1:19:33] So it was, I censored it. [1:19:36] Even then. [1:19:38] But now it's the internet. It's a fucking free-for-all. Yeah.

[1:19:42] So I guess my younger kids, I think, you know, they saw it a little better. [1:19:47] Earlier I get with I only showed my son like a year ago in [1:19:53] my daughter six months ago. What was his reaction? [1:19:56] He was on board. [1:20:00] My youngest daughter, she thought a lot of things were funny, but I don't know. I guess – [1:20:05] I don't know what... [1:20:06] how she felt because they only my youngest only saw the first jackass movie which is [1:20:11] is pretty tame compared to the others. Looking back, it's pretty innocent. [1:20:17] even though Ryan Dunst shoved a [1:20:20] car up his ass to get an x-ray a little toy car did you see that bit yes [1:20:28] Yeah, that one worked. [1:20:33] Do you worry that they're going to follow in your footsteps? No. [1:20:36] Well, I have daughters and they're just... [1:20:40] naturally more bright. [1:20:44] And my son... [1:20:46] like he would joke about it like [1:20:49] to his mom [1:20:51] But he's not going to. He's bright, too. They have options. [1:20:58] I didn't see a lot of options for myself. It's weird that you said that, like, your daughters are bright. Because girls are definitely more risk-averse and, like, ridiculous situations like that. Think things through. [1:21:11] if it, [1:21:12] I have a way harder time watching girls get hurt.

[1:21:15] Yeah. [1:21:17] Yeah, I don't. [1:21:19] I... [1:21:21] don't [1:21:22] We had a girl on the show. [1:21:25] uh, [1:21:26] like, [1:21:28] like [1:21:29] So [1:21:30] Broca. [1:21:32] her lower back. She was doing a thing. We're doing a, just an, it was a pretty tame stunt compared to the ones we do. [1:21:41] She was going down like it was grass, but it was like a big hill on a like some kind of rubber raft. And she had her love mic. [1:21:51] at the lower on her lower back and she came off and that was the impact area and [1:21:57] And for... [1:21:59] the longest time [1:22:00] And it really was a bummer for everybody, you know, and I'm like, I don't. [1:22:06] We didn't have a female cast member for a long time. What was the extensive range? She was in the hospital for a little bit. She's fine now. I just saw her at the... [1:22:18] Jackass art show in November and she's fine, but it sucked. You had a Jackass art show? Yeah, yeah. Because it was our 25th anniversary last year and I'm like, let's have an art show. We have some cast members and crew members who are good artists and I'm like, let's reach out to... [1:22:36] Some... [1:22:37] big artists to see if they'll do it. [1:22:40] And... [1:22:41] And we did. It's the first time I ever curated an art show. And, uh,

[1:22:46] I was like, fuck, I'm going to reach out to Damien Hirst. [1:22:49] to see if he'll do it. [1:22:52] And he ended up doing 10 pieces of art for it. [1:22:56] It was, I was like... [1:22:57] Wow. [1:22:59] I was really blown away by... [1:23:02] the good [1:23:05] vibes and... [1:23:08] that we got from everyone over it. Yeah, because you guys didn't just create a show. You, you, [1:23:13] Uh-uh. [1:23:14] you know, you created like a chapter [1:23:17] in modern pop culture history. [1:23:20] Whew. [1:23:21] Really, because – [1:23:23] It became one of the most entertaining things ever – [1:23:26] And one of the most ridiculous things ever. [1:23:30] Wow. [1:23:31] Yeah, that's tough to... [1:23:35] I never really walked down those roads, uh... [1:23:41] Yeah, I don't know. I appreciate you saying that, though, but it's it's it's odd. [1:23:46] you know, [1:23:47] to [1:23:48] Entertain that thought of it, especially if you see Bea and Tremaine sitting around writing ideas. You're like, these two idiots did that. Like, if you could see how we shoot, it's just you. It's amazing we get any footage at all, Joe. [1:24:04] Um... [1:24:06] Jeff Ross came out with this on Jackass number two. We were doing some bit. [1:24:11] some prank with [1:24:13] me and Spike as old people and

[1:24:16] Thank you. [1:24:17] Me and Spike would... [1:24:19] We would like hit bus stops and – [1:24:23] Anywhere where there is people... [1:24:25] But we would jump out and start doing pranks before the cameras even arrived, and it was driving Jeff insane. He's like, you guys shoot a movie like it's a pickup basketball game, and he just roasted us for about five minutes straight. And it was all accurate. It's amazing we get any footage. Yeah, but that's the spirit of it is that you're doing it for fun. So you would be doing it if the cameras were on or not. You're doing it for yourselves as much as you're doing it for the camera. Oh, for sure. Yeah. [1:24:54] Which is why it's so good. [1:24:56] I don't know how to make like [1:24:59] Other people. [1:25:00] people laugh, right? If I'm writing a bit, I don't, that would freeze me. [1:25:06] But I know how to make my friends laugh, and if they're laughing, I think, eh, we may have something. And that's the only bellwether – [1:25:15] Like if you do something like in the magic trick. [1:25:19] with the bull. We did that twice. [1:25:22] cause... [1:25:23] The first time, the first bull just... [1:25:26] came and didn't really knock me up in the air. It just got me on the ground and just started... [1:25:30] plowing me, stomping me. [1:25:33] And I got up and everyone was looking at me like, [1:25:36] Yeah. [1:25:37] I'm like, all right. And I looked at Jeff, and he's like... [1:25:41] I'm like, all right, bring the other bull in. [1:25:45] That sucks. Take two with bulls always sucks.

[1:25:50] You're hoping you get that first one. Oh, God. The things with animals are the ones I think that freak me out the most. So Wild Boys was the hardest one for me to watch. [1:26:00] I really struggled with that show. Yeah. The one that [1:26:04] Jeff and I got in a half argument over – [1:26:08] I was in... [1:26:10] Arkansas shooting the riot control test. Me, Bam, and Dunn were standing in front of the riot control team. [1:26:17] Shoots like 10,000 hard rubber beads at you. We were shooting that. And they were in New Orleans about to go out. [1:26:24] and [1:26:26] put a hook through Steve-O's jaw and... [1:26:29] chum up the waters and cast them out to the water with sharks. [1:26:34] I'm like, what are we doing, Jeff? What's – [1:26:38] What's the best possible outcome here? He's like, oh, no, no, it's fine. It's fine. [1:26:43] and I'm like [1:26:44] You were going to get his foot bit off. It's fine. [1:26:47] And it ended up being fine. But I was questioning the bit. And it's a great bit. The shark goes to bite his foot and Steve-O kicks him. [1:26:56] at the last second and scares the shark away. Oh. Yeah, it was just – [1:27:01] dumb luck. [1:27:03] And he had a hook through his mouth? Yeah. I never saw that one. It was like a big. Find it, Jamie. Oh, you're not going to. Look at that. [1:27:09] Oh, my God. It took him like 15 minutes to get that hook through his mouth. [1:27:15] And the thing about it, they shot it the day before and it didn't go good.

[1:27:21] There's a hole on the other side of his jaw, too. You just can't see it. [1:27:27] Ugh... [1:27:27] This is so fucking stupid. [1:27:30] Yeah, yeah, thank you. [1:27:35] Oh, my God, dude. Yes, he's... [1:27:39] Oh, yeah, it was going for him, and then he kicks it and got him back in. [1:27:43] That would have been bad. That would have been forever bad. [1:27:48] old peg leg Steve-O [1:27:50] and he's like mentoring young guys that are doing it too like last time he was on he was showing yeah let me show you this one guy that i'm hanging out with he can't do it he's get this guy's running through barbed wire i'm like what the fuck yeah this guy's radical he's covering himself with firecrackers i'm like no oh i know that's zach we get we got him in the cast he uh [1:28:14] Yeah, he's pretty up for it. How bad is he fucked up? [1:28:19] Yeah, I mean, have you seen – he was doing some trick on a skateboard, and he was a rather Rubenesque young fellow, and he just compound fractured his ankle. I don't think you would like that one at all. Popped through the skin the whole deal? I'm not sure it popped through the skin, but it was – [1:28:38] It was... [1:28:39] doing things that ankles shouldn't do. [1:28:44] What a weird life you've lived, dude. Yeah. [1:28:47] Very strange. [1:28:50] It's been okay.

[1:28:51] Yeah. No, I mean, look, you're fine. Yeah, no, it's odd. I get it. I get it. What are you laughing at, Jamie? I just saw the injury here. Let me see. [1:28:59] uh, [1:29:01] Okay, here he goes. And three! [1:29:06] Oh! [1:29:10] I guess that was more his shin. Oh, that's his tibia and his fib. Oh, yeah, dib-fib. Yeah, that's the Conor McGregor right there. Oh. The Joe Theismann? Yeah, that's the Anderson Silva. [1:29:25] I've seen a few of those. Those are the most painful things I've ever seen in UFC fights. Yeah. The things that really bother me are the leg breaks. When someone throws a kick and the kick gets checked and you see their leg wrap around the shin. The Anderson Silva one was very disturbing. Oh, that was hard. It's crazy. It's only happened four times in the history of MMA or in the history of the UFC. And two of them involve Chris Weidman. [1:29:55] leg, and then Chris Wybin broke his leg in the exact same way against Uriah Hall. Oh, I don't know if I saw the one against Uriah Hall, but I saw the first one. [1:30:05] so loud [1:30:06] Because what he did was it was the first kick he threw. [1:30:10] It was the first round of the fight. He threw a full power low kick and Uriah checked it. Oh, and you hear it. Just snap. Do the headphones work? Can we hear it? They're still fucked. Good. Good. You don't need to hear it. But here it is. Full power.

[1:30:27] Correct. Oh, whoa, whoa. And then he puts his foot down. That doesn't look real. Yeah, he was never the same again. Yeah, you can't come back from that, right? No, I mean, guys, they don't really come back. [1:30:44] You know, Conor McGregor hasn't fought again since, I mean, he's throwing kicks with it. I've seen him spar with it. I don't, I mean, there's a one guy who is a heavyweight in the PFL that apparently came back and continued his career after he, so you can find who that guy is. There's a heavyweight guy who's in the PFL that snapped his shin like that and then came back and kept fighting. Weidman's have some fights since then, and he's actually even thrown that kick since then. [1:31:13] Yeah, but... [1:31:14] I don't think you're the same. Yeah, that would mentally – [1:31:18] get to you. Well, one leg now weighs more [1:31:22] Right. Right. Even if it's titanium, there's there's more the screws. There's a bunch of shit in there. And then I've got to think that it feels different. [1:31:32] There's no way. And then there's the psychological thing. Like you've already been through – I mean I think Chris had to go through some insane amount of surgeries. [1:31:41] Multiple surgeries to try to correct it and to fix it because it didn't take right the first time. You're hoping the bones grow back together. You've got a rod and then screws, and then you're hoping the bone fuses all around it. And in some circumstances, they have to make a decision whether or not they go back in another time and take all the supporting stuff out and just have your bone exist normally. Yeah, and then it's like the risk of infection. Oh, yeah.

[1:32:11] It's fucking gnarly. Yeah. Yeah. [1:32:13] I have the hardest time. But I have a harder time watching women get fucked up than I do men. You know, maybe it's the sexist in me or whatever it is, but... [1:32:22] The UFC fights with women, they... [1:32:25] They go for it. I mean, the men go for it, but it just seems like the women are just extra aggressive. Well, it just seems crazier when they're doing it, when they're beating the fuck out of each other for whatever reason. Like there's a fight that happened at the UFC Sphere when they did it at the Sphere in Vegas. We had one event there, and there's this lady, Irene Aldana, who's a beast, and she got a cut in her forehead that I can't believe the referee didn't stop the fight. [1:32:55] someone hit her in the face with an axe. [1:32:57] Like her entire forehead was split wide open. Blood was pouring out of her face. And she's just – that's it right there. Look at that. Oh, my goodness. And she's marching forward, throwing bombs where blood is like splattering. Like blood splattering with every punch that lands on her face. [1:33:18] And she's moving forward, throwing balls. It was fucking crazy. Yeah. [1:33:23] Yeah, she's a warrior. Oh, my God. I mean, that's the beginning of the cut. The cut got even worse than that. It was horrible at the end. It was fucking massive. It had to be like a six-inch cut on her forehead. [1:33:36] That's insane. Well, you could see the whole skull. Yeah. When I was interviewing her, when I was talking to her after the fight, you could see her whole skull. Yeah.

[1:33:45] was like exposed. [1:33:47] Yeah, I, you know, when we're talking about [1:33:50] The last doing Jackass Forever, we're talking about getting new cast members and talking about bringing on some females. Look how crazy that is. And I was a little – that's insane. Insane. That's insane. And I was a little hesitant. And then my – [1:34:05] assistant [1:34:07] uh, [1:34:08] Megan and I'm talking to other – they're like, look, guys do it. [1:34:12] it's like women can do it. And I was... [1:34:17] And I was forced to address it and let go of it. [1:34:21] And I'm like, all right. [1:34:22] Who was saying guys do it, women can do it? Was it a guy or a girl? No, my assistant Megan. And a couple of other – [1:34:31] friends, they're [1:34:33] women and they're just like, you got to stop looking at it that way. And I said, [1:34:37] All right. [1:34:39] And I just moved forward and we. [1:34:41] Got Rachel Wolfson, and she was fantastic. I love Rachel. She's at the club all the time. She's the best. She's fun. Yeah. She's a cool chick. Yeah, she's great. [1:34:50] When you're a small business owner, you're always looking for the next big thing. Whether you're a gym owner looking to expand, a store stocking up for a busy season, or a restaurant owner planning a new menu. [1:35:01] you'll always need capital to grow. [1:35:04] But traditional banks are making it harder than ever to secure a small business loan. [1:35:08] That's why thousands of business owners trust Cardiff for same-day funding. [1:35:13] Their online application takes less than five minutes and won't impact your personal credit score.

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[1:36:53] That's not real. [1:36:54] That's a filter. That's an Instagram filter, dog. There's no way. [1:36:58] That's an avatar. That's what she looks like now? After this car? No. That's not possible. That's an avatar. [1:37:03] Right. Well, it's not possible that that – [1:37:06] that went away. [1:37:09] See, Google or run a search of Reni Aldana after the surgery. It's like two weeks ago. [1:37:17] Yeah, but that's all. Well, there's makeup. I don't know. Makeup and filter. That's what she looks like. Okay, there you go. There you go. There you go. You can see. Go back there. [1:37:25] Say it again. [1:37:26] You can kind of see in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, in the light. [1:37:29] Hits it. [1:37:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can see it right there. Yeah. [1:37:33] Wow, that's pretty good. I mean, you can see it, but it gives her character. Well, for a man, that's pretty dope, right? I don't know. Badass. It looks like she's pretty okay with everything. She's a beast. Yeah. You know? [1:37:48] That's an unusual woman that is not just willing to do that and get her face cut open like that, but also like march forward in a mask of blood like a fucking horror movie throwing bombs. And she was cut over her eye. Her nose was split open, giant cash on her forehead and just marching forward. So they did. And she was fighting. Who was she fighting? [1:38:11] And did they have a rematch? Because I assume the referee called it. No. No, it went the decision. [1:38:18] Yeah, she lost the decision. When they go to the doctor, they go over to the doctor. He looks at you like, ah, you'll never notice on a galloping horse. Get back in there. I don't know. I don't know what the referee was thinking because referees have stopped fights for less injuries. Oh, yeah. It's very subjective. Usually when it goes from your eyebrow to the top of your skull.

[1:38:35] It's very subjective. Like one referee or one doctor will say, let it go. And then another doctor will go, it's over. And if the doctor says it's over, it's over. But a referee inspected it when it went split up her head. Oh, yeah. They wiped it down. They allowed her to continue. Yeah. She she got cut. And who is that referee who looked at it and said, yeah, you're fine. [1:38:55] Get back in there, kid. See if you can find video of it while it's happening. Look at her nose. The nose would have stopped the fight. Nose is destroyed. [1:39:03] foreheads destroyed. I don't remember what she got hit with. Most likely an elbow that did that. Who is she fighting? Norma. [1:39:10] Dumont. Norma Dumont. Norma Dumont's a beast, too. And who won? There are two. [1:39:14] Norma did. Norma won. But what did she... [1:39:18] Like, see if you can find a video of it. The video of it is gnarly because like and we're freaking out because we're doing the commentary. I'm like, oh, my God, this lady is a savage. What round did that happen in? That's a good question. I want to say it was the second round, but I don't totally recall. Oh, my God. [1:39:37] Because a video game-- [1:39:39] What did you just have? You just had a video game. Oh, it's a video game. The video games are so good. You can't tell the difference now. That's the problem. You can't buy it in the video game. [1:39:48] Yeah, it's, but again, it's, [1:39:51] I don't know why. It's like when a woman gets knocked out, it bugs me way more. Yeah. I'm so used to guys getting knocked out. Yeah. When a guy gets knocked out, I'm like, I hope he's okay. But when a woman gets knocked out, it's like my stomach turns. I'm like, you're sitting there in your commentary chair. You're just like, oh, fuck, man. When someone gets shinned in the head, just bang. And you see them stiffen up. It's like there's something about a woman getting knocked out that I don't know why. Yeah.

[1:40:22] Yeah. I'm so used to men getting knocked out. Yeah. Well, I mean, it looks like you've seen a lot of fights. I've probably seen more people get the fuck beaten out of them than anybody who's ever lived. Yeah. In person. [1:40:38] Like in person watching elite fighters smash each other. I've probably seen more people get pummeled than anybody. Yeah, I wonder the number of knockouts you've seen. Oh, it has to be in the thousands. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how many fights I've called. I've started doing commentary. Well, I started doing post-fight interviews in 1997. Yeah. So that was the first. I worked at UFC 12. [1:41:02] In 1997. Now we're at UFC 324. [1:41:07] So – and I've been there for a large percentage of them. [1:41:11] I hate to pivot, but what do you think of Fedor? I love him. I love him. He's one of the all-time greats. He was one of my favorite fighters of all time. The great tragedy is Fedor never fought in the UFC against Cain Velasquez because they were both in their prime at the exact same time, and they could have made that happen. [1:41:31] I love Fedor. Oh, he was amazing. The Pride fights, Tremaine and I, every time the Pride fights were on, we'd always watch... [1:41:38] Fador. And dude, he was stoic. I mean, stoic, like dead face, no matter what was going on. It could be the most chaotic, insane fight getting blasted in the face. Never changed his expression like a fucking robot before the fight.

[1:41:54] All the fighters are jumping up and down, looking around. And he looks like he's about to fall asleep. Yeah. Oh, he was amazing. [1:42:01] His mindset was fucking impenetrable. You remember when Kevin Randleman suplexed him? Oh, yeah. On his head. I've never seen someone get suplexed on their head. [1:42:12] And... [1:42:13] not only push through it, but... [1:42:17] He submitted him pretty soon afterwards, right? Yeah, he got him in an arm bar very shortly after that. [1:42:23] That still doesn't make any sense to me. Oh, he was a freak. He was a freak, man. Look at his face. Look how calm he looks. Yeah. [1:42:31] Here it is. So he gets slammed. Oh, my goodness. And just rolls, just rolls right into it. I mean, that was... [1:42:38] That could have knocked most people completely unconscious, could have separated your vertebrae. [1:42:44] And look, he's still, look how strong. And he reversed the position like seconds later. And Randleman was good on the ground. Oh, fuck yeah. Randleman was a world-class wrestler. But look at that. And a beast. [1:42:55] But Fedor was special, man. He was special. And this is like Randleman's wearing wrestling shoes, too. He was allowed to wear wrestling shoes. Pride had a lot of crazy rules. That left of Fedor's. Oh, everything, man. Everything. He was the most complete. So he pins down the arm and he eventually catches him. I think he caught him in a Kimura. [1:43:15] A Kimura or a straight arm lock? It might have been – yeah, here it is. He caught him in a Kimura. Here it is. I mean that's insane. Insane. Within a minute, he – Yep, turned it around. Well, he was the most complete out of all those guys because he was a guy that could fight you standing up at an elite level, but also in any kind of wild scramble. He would catch an arm bar off of his back. He would submit you on the ground. He could throw you. He could do everything.

[1:43:43] He was the most complete out of all the heavyweights of his era. [1:43:47] Yeah, I remember when he was fighting Noguera, I was like, oh, no, this is... [1:43:51] It could go south for Fedor. You thought so? I was worried. [1:43:57] Yeah. You know, because I, you know, you like you look up to a fighter and you're like, he can't lose. I don't want him to lose. And I was worried about Noguera, but he beat him twice. Right. Yeah. And they were brutal. The ground and pounds were fucking brutal when he was on top of Noguera just bombing on. Yeah. I'm like, Fador, don't go to the ground with Noguera because I'm just worried. I'm like his aunt or something. Right. But he no problem. No, he was he was awesome. [1:44:27] to that peak form, and it's a short window. And I always say when you're looking at the greatest of all time, you have to look at them in that peak window. You can't look at them when they're fighting in their late 30s, and they probably shouldn't be fighting anymore. You've got to judge them based on who they were in their prime, because every combat sport athlete has a limited amount of time where they can operate in their prime. And Fedor in his prime was about as good as anybody who ever lived. [1:44:57] that. Because I really... [1:45:00] Fucking amazing. Yeah. But it's like when we had Kane in the UFC, Kane Velasquez, who was another superhuman freak, also super stoic. [1:45:10] and had cardio like no heavyweight ever, like freakish, God-given cardio. Yeah. And they'd call him Cardio Kane because he would just put a pace on guys. Well, you'd see the look on their face, and it was like the second round. They're like, I can't do this. Yeah, and he's just ready to go. Just not even out of breath, just smashing you over and over and over again, picking you up, slamming you down. Like what he did to Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar was fucking terrifying.

[1:45:40] Viking like he just hopped off of a fucking ship with a battle axe yeah Cain beat the fuck out of him I know that that was an amazing fight and I [1:45:49] uh, [1:45:50] I... [1:45:51] Watch. [1:45:52] Brock Lesnar body slammed Wee Man through a table at a restaurant one night. [1:45:58] It was one of the best things. Was that on Jackass? No, no. We were there to do – I was going to do WrestleMania. I believe it was WrestleMania. [1:46:08] against that low down and dirty Sammy Zane. And we're at the restaurant. I think we're at a four seasons in their restaurant and, [1:46:16] We all had a couple of drinks, and Brock just comes by. He's leaving. He comes by to say, [1:46:22] Goodbye, you know. And Wee Man gets a little chatty. Wee Man got a mouth on him. So Brock just scoops him up like a baby. And he goes... [1:46:33] You're going through that table and just lifts him up over his head and bam, right through the table. It was one of the best things I've ever seen. It looked like one of those tables in an Old West bar fight. Yeah, this is it. [1:46:49] He's like, no, we miss like, no, no. [1:46:52] Oh, Jesus Christ. That's a regular table, too. Oh, yeah. That's what you get for talking shit to Brock Lesber. [1:47:02] It doesn't really compute in his head, I don't think. Brock is a guy that, like, you know, he was NCAA Division I national champion, like elite wrestler. I always wondered what would happen with him if he didn't go into pro wrestling for so long, if he just went into MMA right out of his college career.

[1:47:22] I think he could have been one of the all-time greatest. What are you going to do with that guy if he's been training for that long? Well, he didn't train much in striking at all. You could tell in the early days his striking was – he was learning it. Obviously an elite athlete, a freak of nature physically, but he was still learning striking. And striking is something that takes a long time to really get a mastery of. Oh, yeah. He wasn't – so he – it was just – and he didn't need the money, didn't need to do it. [1:47:52] a giant pro wrestling star could have just stayed Brock Lesnar but just decided I want to see what would happen if I fight for real he liked it [1:48:02] He beat a lot of really fucking good guys. Yeah. Which is kind of crazy. And he beat Randy Couture, who's an all-time great. Yeah. He beat Frank Mir. [1:48:11] Who's, you know, an all-time great. He's a freak athlete. Oh, he's fucking horrific. [1:48:17] Horrific dude. [1:48:19] Who's the young guy, Gable Stevenson? Oh, yeah. I think he's a problem. Ooh, he's a giant problem. His striking looks good. He's a giant problem because he's a 250-pound man that moves like a 150-pound man. He's so fucking fast and so athletic for a big guy and... [1:48:38] elite wrestling skills i mean gold medalists in the olympics are wrestling skills that that kind of wrestling skill is like so hard to fuck with yeah he's got that and ridiculous power and speed in his hands and just this there's a mindset that like some guys have like elite athletes have this like unstoppable drive and discipline yeah yeah and he's got that and like he's gonna be but i

[1:49:08] because he had an MMA fight and hit this dude with a left hook. And then as the dude's going out, he fucking slams him to the ground. He landed the punch and he had enough speed to close the distance and fucking slam him to the ground while he's unconscious from the punch. Yeah. And I sent Dana White a text. I said, I said, everybody's fucked. I just sent him that clip. I sent him. I sent Dana the same clip. Did you really? [1:49:34] Dana, what are we doing here? [1:49:38] first guy that I've ever had in the studio that isn't even in the UFC yet, that only has had like a couple fights, where I was like, I want to have this guy on right away. Like, look at that. Like, fucking, so, that speed is so fast. Look at that, the transition between, he KOs him with a left hook. [1:49:57] And then look at this, just hops to the top of the octagon. [1:50:00] But go back to the knockout because look at the guy when he's on. You can see the birdies flying around his head in that one angle on the opposite angle. I mean, that is crazy speed. And then blast him with a punch all before the referee can even get to him. That dude's like, what the fuck just happened? Yeah. He has a hard time getting fights. That's he'll probably be in the UFC quicker than he should be because no one wants to fight him.

[1:50:30] because you can't beat him. You know you can't beat him. So you've got to be the type of guy, almost like you are with stunts, like, all right. [1:50:37] Let's fucking do it. Let's see what happens. Because you're not fast enough to avoid the punches. You're not skillful enough to stop the takedown. You can't do anything about it once he's on top of you. You're not getting back up. You're just going to get pummeled. Like, what are you going to do? And some guys are just so gangster. They're like, let's see how I do. You're just standing in front of a cold tree. But most guys are going to not fight. You're going to get that offer and you're going to go, fuck that. I want to be a world-class fighter someday. I got to get better. There's no way I'm going to get better. [1:51:07] tall the mountain actually is that I'm supposed to climb. [1:51:10] But to any... [1:51:11] perspective fighters of [1:51:13] gable stevenson out there who maybe don't want to fight them take it from me it doesn't take that long to get knocked out it's going to be an easy night you know it's going what 15 seconds of your time that's not the problem the problem is well so like in boxing okay this is a good so boxing has always traditionally done a way better job of preparing fighters for world-class fighters [1:51:43] journeyman in the beginning. Mitch Blood Green. Well, he was good. Mitch Blood Green was good. Mitch Blood Green went to decision. Yeah. I mean, he was a gang leader and he was a crazy person. [1:51:53] No, the street fight, Mike fucked him up. But he also broke his hand in a street fight in a haberdashery in Harlem. Which is crazy. Slipped into alliteration. Yeah, I mean, they fought in a haberdashery. They fought in a place where you get custom suits made.

[1:52:09] And why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? So that fight was like Mitch Bloodgreen was a real pro. He was a real elite fighter. [1:52:23] business being in there with yeah and these guys just took the payday and just got knocked into orbit and those fights are some of the most fun fights to watch because you realize you're dealing with a guy who's going to be one of the all-time greats you're getting to see him when he's 19 and no one had any idea what was coming [1:52:42] Some of his first fights, people had heard rumblings. There's this kid out of Catskills. Everybody talked about it. But until you saw him, you're just like, oh, God. Good Lord. Just all business, too. All business. No socks. Just the towel with the hole in it. And it just – it was – [1:53:03] throwback [1:53:04] Yeah, but there was never a throwback fighter that had just a towel over his head walking into the ring. Well, you'd have to go back to the Jack Dempsey days, which Tyson did. See, Tyson had this advantage that his manager was Jim Jacobs, and Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian. And so Jim Jacobs had all these films of all the old school fighters, Sandy Sadler, Willie Pep. Yeah, he's a big—yeah. [1:53:34] fighters, all the old school guys, all the old Joe Lewis fights on film, you know, all the Sugar Ray Robinson fights. Which there are not a lot on film. I wish there were because we never have prime Sugar Ray Robinson fans.

[1:53:48] Like there's not a lot of films. Well, you can watch them on YouTube. [1:53:51] But I don't think like prime prime, I think after a certain. Oh, no, there's some prime Sugar Ray Robinson. Yeah, you can watch some great Sugar Ray Robinson KOs that are on. Yeah. He was another guy. I mean, I think he had like 90 fights. [1:54:06] I think it was something like 90-0 before he had his first loss. And then he went another 40 fights before he lost the second. Crazy. Crazy. [1:54:15] Crazy. And they were fighting all the time back then. Yeah. Those guys would fight multiple times in a year. It wasn't like today where guys like Canelo and Crawford, they talk about it. Crawford hadn't had a fight in like a year and a half. Yeah. It wasn't like that back then. They were fighting a few times a month. Constantly. Yeah. But also then the end is so sad because in the end, Sugar Ray Robinson had dementia and it's like he couldn't talk. [1:54:44] gets had. [1:54:45] Yeah. So that's the thing about a guy fighting Gableson, Gable Stevenson. It's not that Gables going to beat you and getting knocked out. It's not that bad. It's that your confidence is going to be destroyed. [1:54:57] And you will get knocked out easier next time, which is the problem with getting knocked out. The glass, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I can attest to that. Is it happening to you now? Like will you get KO'd easier? I get my knockouts. [1:55:10] I got knocked out easier, yeah. It's the old glass jaw. You notice the difference? [1:55:16] Yeah, I mean, I could watch the impacts –

[1:55:20] afterwards and that might not have got me five or six years ago but now it's just [1:55:25] You just go out? Yeah. How many times do you think you've been KO'd? [1:55:31] About 16. [1:55:34] Wow. And, uh... [1:55:36] That's a lot. Yeah. Have you ever gotten like brain scans done? Yeah. What do they say? [1:55:43] Well... [1:55:44] They're not the best brain scans they ever looked at. I didn't win any awards for my brain scan, Joe. [1:55:55] they're like, don't get any more, uh, [1:55:58] concussions but did they say there's anything going on there that you need to be concerned about [1:56:02] Uh... [1:56:03] Well, they don't know about... [1:56:07] You know, you can't. [1:56:09] detects CTE until [1:56:11] post-mortem. Right. But do you have any lingering issues like memory issues, impulse control? [1:56:19] The... [1:56:20] I can... [1:56:21] Well, I... [1:56:22] I don't know whether it's I'm getting older or I can remember a lot of [1:56:26] like things from four years, like from my childhood and that kind of thing. I have... [1:56:32] complete recall but what i did uh a week ago you know it's it's up it's up in the air [1:56:39] And do you think that's connected to the head injuries? [1:56:44] Or is it just like aging? Because as you get older... Well, there's the million-dollar question. Right. But you seem okay. Yeah. Which is part of the problem. I know a lot of fighters that seem fine. Yeah.

[1:56:57] But I know publicly or privately they're struggling. Yeah. I know they have, like, issues, you know? Yeah. I'm – I – [1:57:07] After that. [1:57:08] The Magician one, I kind of went offline for a few months, but I... [1:57:13] I completely recovered. Went offline like how so? Uh... [1:57:18] Just slowly over a period of months, I just... [1:57:22] got super depressed and anxious and [1:57:27] fearful of everything. [1:57:29] Ah, just... [1:57:31] In my mind, it was just a loop of... [1:57:33] everything bad and [1:57:35] is going to happen. [1:57:37] is catastrophic thinking and ruminating and, uh, [1:57:43] Yeah, it was my creative mind... [1:57:46] turned against me. [1:57:48] Right? [1:57:50] Uh, and it was, it was frightening. It felt like you're in the bottom of a well looking up. [1:57:58] And eventually I got on some medication. What kind of medication did they give you for that? Oh, shit. I can't remember. I don't know. [1:58:06] Um... [1:58:08] But after a couple of months on – actually about – [1:58:15] Thank you. [1:58:16] four to six weeks on the medication. [1:58:19] The colors came back, and I started feeling like myself again. Did you lose... [1:58:24] site of colors? Did you get colorblind? No, that was just... Metaphorically? Yeah. Okay. Um...

[1:58:30] And then I'm not – I went off the medicine and I'm fine, but it was – [1:58:36] Yeah, it was pretty intense. So do they do anything for that? Like I know there's some different therapies they do for people that have. I did a thing, a transcranial magnetic stimulation. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you about. And I started that. [1:58:51] And... [1:58:52] It was kind of I was in the middle. [1:58:54] of my episode. [1:58:57] and [1:58:59] I started that, you do it over like six to eight weeks, I can't remember. [1:59:03] and I remember at the first I'd start it and I'd talk to the guy running it, but by the end, [1:59:10] At the end of the eight weeks, I was just kind of... [1:59:13] I wouldn't look at him, I wouldn't talk to him. [1:59:17] Yeah, it was just completely in my head. [1:59:19] All the time. So it got worse progressively then. Yeah. Yeah. [1:59:24] Wow. Yeah, it got worse. [1:59:26] But... [1:59:28] The other just medic... [1:59:30] And I came out of it. Well, I'm glad you came out of it. Yeah. But that's a good reason to not do that kind of shit anymore. Yeah. That's why I was like, I can't. I don't. It was... [1:59:44] It's too much. Yeah. Yeah. [1:59:45] Yeah. Well, that's what I worry about with fighters because, like, listen, you and I are sitting here. We're talking. You're not slurring your words. You seem fine. Everything's – there's fighters that you see the slurring and you see the mumbling of the words, and yet they're still fighting. Yeah, that's like Ollie at the end. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he's doing those interviews around the Leon Spinks fights and – Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[2:00:13] You know, even Larry Holmes was sparring with them. They could... [2:00:17] notice the difference [2:00:20] Yeah. [2:00:21] Yeah. [2:00:22] But he's like he... [2:00:25] Thank you. [2:00:25] How do you... [2:00:29] It's tough to figure out how to... [2:00:32] uh... [2:00:33] He has a certain spirit about him, and how do you outrun that? Which made him a champion. Yeah, and how do you outrun that? How do you put that light out? And that's the problem. I think you have to plant that seed in a fighter's head when they're young. [2:00:49] I don't think you could tell them that this is going to be a ride that lasts forever. I think you have to tell them there's going to be a time where we realize we have to stop this. We have to stop doing this, and you're going to have to trust me because I'm on the outside, and I'm going to watch you very carefully, and we're going to make sure that you never get to a point where you're – [2:01:11] I like a fighter that retires and they can talk and they're fine and they're good. I like that. I like when a guy gets out. Andre Ward is one of my favorite fighters because not just was he a two-division world champion. Not only was he an elite boxer, but he retired undefeated and never came back, and now he's fine. He does commentary. You're hanging out with him. He's got no lingering problems. [2:01:38] He's good. Like, he got off... [2:01:40] The right time. [2:01:41] I like that. [2:01:43] Yeah, I often think, where would...

[2:01:47] It's a little sort of a pivot. Where would Roy Jones? [2:01:50] Junior be ranked if he retired after the Ruiz fight. [2:01:54] Right. After he became heavyweight champion. It's a very good question. I think that was one of the biggest mistakes that he ever did was going up to heavyweight and then going down to 175 again. To fight Carver. Right. Because he wasn't a heavyweight that was fat. It wasn't like he could lose 25 pounds of extra fat that he put on. No, he was shredded at 200 pounds and then lost 25 pounds of muscle. So he had to starve himself to get back down to 75 again. [2:02:24] to carry around all that extra weight. Like, that's your new frame. And today, they would never say, do that again. Like, in the UFC, there's been some guys that had some radical weight cuts, like Alex Pereira is probably the best example, but... [2:02:37] Once he went down to 185, he was cutting a tremendous amount of weight to get to 85. But once he went up to 205... [2:02:44] Now he's a 205-er. He stays at 205. And now he's even talking about going up to heavyweight, which is crazy. Right. But he's got the frame for it. But if he went all the way up to heavyweight and then tried to go all the way down to 85 again, he would be so fragile. You're so vulnerable. If you get hit. [2:03:02] The guys who dehydrate themselves significantly, they get KO'd way easier. Yeah. And guys will tell you that. Like when they cut the weight, they can't take a punch. It's just different because your brain doesn't rehydrate in time. So if you're dehydrating to make, let's say, 170. If you're dehydrating to make 170 but you really weigh 200, you can get down to 170 for the weight.

[2:03:32] yet. Your brain's not rehydrated. Your brain takes days before it completely rehydrates. Or [2:03:38] It's dangerous. It's very dangerous. [2:03:41] Yeah. But so that's the thing. It's like you're talking about all the problems that you have, but yet you're sitting here. You're not slurring your words. You're laughing. You're coherent. We're having a good time. [2:03:51] And think about these guys that you see that start mumbling and their words all kind of slur together. Yeah, yeah. It's weird. You have a hard time understanding them. The fits of rage. Yes. They 100% should not be fighting. Yeah. And yet they're still fighting. [2:04:07] And athletic commissions will even pass them. Is this Vandale Silva still fight? Does he slur? Dude, Vandale Silva just had a boxing match in Brazil that turned into a brawl. So he was boxing this guy, and a bunch of people jumped into the ring and started brawling. And one of the guys that jumped into the ring KO'd him, hit him with a bare-knuckle punch, [2:04:37] Oh. [2:04:49] Here, watch it. No, I'm trying to find a good version of it. You can find it. He was amazing in the pride fight. Oh, he was a fucking warrior, a savage. A problem. He was so crazy. But that's another guy that's been KO'd so many fucking times. I don't speak Portuguese, but my friends who do say you can clearly tell the difference. So here's the fight. Here's the fight.

[2:05:11] So this is afterwards. Boom. Oh, my God. The back of the canvas. This guy just cracks him with a right hand. He doesn't even see it coming. [2:05:19] And he's out cold, flat on his back. And then they just have to drag him away from all these people fighting. Jesus. [2:05:26] Oh, that's sad. He's dead. Dead alcohol. Oh, my God. [2:05:30] Yeah, and again, this is a guy that's – he got knocked out by Mirko Krokop. He got head kick KO'd. He got knocked out by Rampage Jackson. He got knocked out by some big fucking scary shots. Krokop had legs like Earl Campbell. They were just ridiculous. [2:05:48] Ridiculous looking. No, he was one of the most elite strikers that ever competed in MMA. He was a terrifying dude. The stare down between Vanderlei Silva and Mirko Krokop, in my opinion, is the greatest stare down in the history of combat sports. Because you've got a guy who in Vanderlei Silva is one of the most intimidating, terrifying MMA fighters that ever lived. But then in Mirko Krokop, you've got a guy who's the head of an anti-terrorist squadron who's fucking probably murdered people. [2:06:18] Look at the difference. That motherfucker ain't scared of shit. Look at this stare down. Neither one of them are scared. Yeah, I think Vandalay might have been feeling it a little. Yeah, that guy's looking through to his fucking soul. Mirko is 100% Mirko wins this stare down. Mirko was looking through to his fucking soul, dude. Oh, my goodness. That is a stare down, son. Look at his eyes. That is a serious man. Yeah.

[2:06:48] And, I mean, Mirko. That ref's got his hands full. Oh, yeah. Well, they always had their hands full in Pride because they had stomps and soccer kicks. And it was a crazy organization. Did they test in Pride? No. Not only did they not test. Well, they did test. They didn't do anything. It was a fake test. You get an A-plus on steroids. Ensign Inouye is another legend and just one of the all-time greats and a pioneer of MMA from the early days. [2:07:18] in all capital letters, we do not test for steroids. They wanted you on steroids. Or growth hormone. They wanted you on it. Because, look, if you want excitement and you don't have a sanctioning body, your goal is to create the best product. What's the best product? Bunch of juiced-up fucking psychopaths beat the shit out of each other. Highly skilled, juiced-up savages going to war. That's what you want. [2:07:48] with normal hormone levels. Fuck that. So they would encourage people. I didn't hear any rumors of Fedor doing that. Do you think Fedor? I don't... [2:08:00] You can only speculate. [2:08:01] You don't know because he didn't look like he was on steroids, right? Because he had like dad bods. [2:08:06] but jacked, you know, but he carried along some extra body fat because he didn't have to worry about losing weight. But he came from the Russian sports program, you know, and... [2:08:16] They cheated with everything. The reality of... Have you ever seen that movie Icarus?

[2:08:21] No. Oh, it's a great movie. Yeah. Oh, my God. Brian Fogle made this documentary. It's a really interesting documentary because he made the documentary. This was the plan of it. [2:08:32] He was an endurance racer, so he was going to do a cycling race, and he was going to do it naturally. So he does it, compares his numbers, and then he hires this guy, Gregory Rechenko. Is it Rechenko? Yeah, you got it. I think he said it. Rechenko? Yeah. [2:08:47] Um, [2:08:48] who is that's the guy who was the head of the Russian anti-doping. And I'm making air quotes, anti-doping program. And so during, yeah, Rodchenkov, Gregory Rodchenkov. So during the filming of it, [2:09:06] It turns out that the Russians get busted because during the Sochi Olympics, the entire roster of Russian athletes was on roids. So what they did was they cut a hole in the wall and they would take the piss that the Russians had given after the competition. They'd sneak it through the hole and sneak in some new piss and put it in its place. [2:09:36] They supposedly had these unopenable jars. Right. And the Russians had figured out a way to like snake some sort of a utensil or some sort of a device and open up these jars, swap out the piss and put in some fresh, clean piss in the same jar. So this is while they're filming.

[2:09:56] So he is being taught how to juice up by this guy. So this guy is telling him this is what you would take and this is how much to take. So he's doing this preparing to go do this cycling race juiced up. And while this is happening, this guy has to flee Russia because now he gets busted. And then he starts telling Brian Fogle everything. He tells them how they run the program. So now to this day, this guy is hiding. He's in witness protection. [2:10:26] arrested his family. I think they took his family's money away. They took their home away. They took everything because they want him then to turn this guy in. So he's in witness protection right now, still in America, hiding because they'll assassinate him if they find him. Oh, yeah. [2:10:41] Because this guy gave up the entire secrets of the Russian doping program, which led to in the Brazil Olympics, Russia was banned from the Brazil Olympics. Yeah, for the doping. Yeah. So this documentary is fucking wild because it shows he tells every the only people that didn't do it with was figure skaters. They said the figure skaters, it didn't help. [2:11:04] And it actually hurt a little bit. We tried, but it didn't help. They want to keep them gay. [2:11:11] They wanted to keep them like whatever they wanted to keep them. They just felt like there's something about giving them testosterone, giving them human growth hormone, steroids. It fucked with their fine motor skills. And it's like such a delicate sport. It's a sport of just hand-eye coordination and balance, and it didn't help them to be on performance-enhancing drugs.

[2:11:34] You said keep him gay. I don't think if you gave steroids to Johnny Weir, it's going to, you know. You only one way to find out? No, I'm just kidding. That guy is, he's pretty entertaining, Johnny Weir. Was he a gay porn star? No, he was an Olympic skater, right? Is it Johnny Weir? [2:11:54] It's Johnny Weir. [2:11:57] Oh, right, right, right. He's fantastic. I don't know why I thought gay porn star. [2:12:03] I thought like if you're giving steroids to a gay guy, what would be the last guy that you'd want to do it to to see if you could turn him not gay would be a gay porn star. I give him steroids. And also he's like, why am I fucking all these guys? This is crazy. Thank you. You've cured me. It turned out it wasn't pray the gay away. It's injecting all that, that, that preacher pray the gay away. Yeah. Oh, those guys are funny. Those guys are almost all gay. [2:12:30] Those gay retreats. Yeah. They'll get together and hug it out with boners. Yeah. [2:12:35] Yeah. [2:12:36] Kind of sad. [2:12:38] Just be how you're going to be, man. Don't tell everyone what to do. Just live your life however you want to live it. Well, this is a burden of responsibility on some of us for being judgmental and for so long. [2:12:49] I mean, being gay was so dangerous to come out. You could get killed. You could get beaten. Yeah. [2:12:54] Yeah. I mean, it's a testament to our society today that it is like not just accepted but celebrated that people are gay. It's because for so long it was so hard to be gay.

[2:13:07] Yeah, of course. Do you know what the Turing test is? [2:13:11] Yeah, well, Alan Turing was gay, and that's a tragic story. The man – [2:13:18] like [2:13:19] really had a enormous impact on world war ii and but still he was he had to be closeted and then the [2:13:28] And then they chemically castrated him. Yeah. It was in England. It's tragic. In the 1950s. And he's the guy who came up with the Turing test, which is a way to determine whether or not artificial intelligence had achieved sentience. Could you tell if you're having – and – [2:13:43] Most people believe that at this point in time, you can't tell. Like the Turing test has already been achieved. Like they've already passed it. [2:13:51] Like if you talk to like perplexity, this is what I use for everything. If I talk to it, I would not know whether or not that's a person or not. I mean, it can communicate like a human. Yeah. And it can answer questions about it. It's just basically like a super genius human being that I ask questions to all the time on my phone. And I don't. [2:14:12] I don't ever feel like this is a computer. [2:14:15] It feels like a fucking person that's just – like you have a wizard that you can ask any question of and it can give you the answer. So that's – [2:14:23] Alan Turing's invention was this test to determine whether or not you could determine whether artificial intelligence had achieved sentience. And what did they do to this guy? They fucking – they chemically castrated him for being gay, and he wound up committing suicide.

[2:14:37] It's tragic. I mean... [2:14:39] Uh... [2:14:41] all that he did with... [2:14:42] In World War II, I mean, he's the father of the modern computer. He helped break the Enigma Code, which was considered unbreakable. Yeah. And... [2:14:54] and just his country turned his back. [2:14:56] on him and I like there all [2:15:00] Everyone liked him, really. And not even that long ago. That's what's crazy. People who were alive back then are still alive today. And that's how much the world has shifted. Yeah. [2:15:10] And, you know, whatever it's been, 80 years, it's kind of crazy. Yeah. Not even 80 years, 70 years, right? [2:15:17] Crazy. [2:15:18] Yeah. [2:15:19] I'm fascinated by World War II and the characters from that [2:15:24] Oh, yeah. [2:15:25] No, World War II is a nutty time in history. And it's also, in a lot of people's eyes in America, one of the reasons why people are so fascinated with World War II, it's the last time Americans got to feel like real heroes. Yeah. We fucking did it. We turned back the Nazis. We defeated them. We stopped this takeover of the world by the most evil group that we've ever seen assembled in modern history. [2:15:55] That famous photograph, I guess it's in Times Square, where that soldier is kissing that woman. [2:16:03] That was staged, right? [2:16:04] I believe it was. [2:16:06] Unfortunately. [2:16:07] because the wars after that were muddy. It was not like, this is a good guy, this is the bad guy. It's like...

[2:16:14] and then in Vietnam it's not you not taking a hill [2:16:17] You can't – it wasn't about that. It became just the number of casualties. Well, also, it was a war that didn't make any sense. No, no. We found out later on that it was a war that was started under false pretenses. Sure, but – well – [2:16:30] There's been a few of those. But that was the one that's the most obvious. The Gulf of Tonkin incident is the most obvious and proven. Like now it's not a conspiracy theory. They staged a false flag. They lied to the American people. It's the same thing. [2:16:45] Hitler did [2:16:46] in the whole, and yeah. Yeah, yeah. [2:16:50] Did you ever read Blitzed? [2:16:53] No. It's Norman Oler wrote about Hitler marching through Poland and about all the drugs that they were giving people. Oh, yeah, the Pervitin. [2:17:02] They would get jacked up on Pervitin. Fucking meth. They had capsules, meth capsules. And the people at the front of the line got the most meth. [2:17:11] Yeah. They dosed people up. [2:17:13] According to where you were. But they realized that had diminishing returns because they're just jacked up all the time and they're not sleeping and then it starts falling off. Yeah. But by then they were addicted and – [2:17:26] Well, it turns out you could do it for three days and get all the way through Poland. Yeah. That's how they did it. Yeah. Three days, no sleep, just – and Hitler was like, I know how we could do it. Just meth everybody up and have a march. Well, he was taking more drugs than anyone. Oh, yeah. [2:17:41] Just, well, he had his own doctor. [2:17:44] That wasn't a part of the S.S.? Yeah, that shady ass doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all in the book. The book is fantastic. It's really good because it's just like – and he said that most of what Hitler was on was actually opiates.

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[2:21:21] So they're reasonably assured that this is Hitler, and then they found that they had common syndrome. [2:21:27] So researchers analyzing blood-stained cloth from the sofa where Hitler died found genetic marker linked to Kalman syndrome disorder as a form of hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, which resulted in insufficient production of sex hormones and can prevent or delay puberty. [2:21:45] Makes sense. Yeah. Right? Methed up dude. Yeah. Little dick. Tiny dick. No balls. Most evil man in history. Wants to fuck the whole world. [2:21:54] Maybe one ball. [2:21:55] Maybe one ball. Well, he was diagnosed with one undescended testicle. That was a fact from one of his medical reports. One of his testicles was like stuck up there. [2:22:05] Yeah, it's... [2:22:08] He had some problems. He had some issues. Yeah. What a fucking monster. Speaking of meth... [2:22:15] We always talk about this documentary that [2:22:17] Johnny had a hand in. Oh, that's right. Oh, The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. I fucking love that documentary, dude. Thank you. That documentary was crazy. How did you get involved in... Thank you, Jamie. How did you get involved in that? Um... [2:22:32] A friend of mine knew Julian Nitzberg, and Julian is the one who found Jessica White. [2:22:38] uh... [2:22:39] uh, [2:22:41] He just – Julian was doing another documentary. [2:22:45] on [2:22:48] Oh, shit.

[2:22:51] Fuck, I can't remember right now. [2:22:55] They're like, hey, do you want to meet Julian Nitzberg? [2:22:58] And I'm like, yeah. And so I talked to Joel and he told me the story of... [2:23:02] him being involved with [2:23:04] Jessica White, the first documentary. You saw the first one, right? Mm-hmm. [2:23:07] uh, [2:23:08] You did more than one? No, no. The first one Jacob Young did. Julian Knitsberg found Jessica White, went to Jacob Young and said, hey – [2:23:16] Look at this guy. Look at this character. And it came out on... [2:23:21] videotape and [2:23:23] If you saw it back in the late 80s, early 90s, it was usually like a – [2:23:29] copied over fourth. Is this the dancing outlaw? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's what that's not the wild and wonderful. No, that was yours, right? Yes. And so I was talking to Julian and I'm like, well, what? [2:23:42] What do you think Jess goes up to now? [2:23:44] He's like, I don't know. And so we got some money together and sent him to talk to Jessica. [2:23:51] and his family, and now because of just... [2:23:55] Mm-hmm. [2:23:56] generational neglect in all the young kids coming up. He's like, [2:24:02] he was like, you know, [2:24:05] the wildest one in the family, but now he's like the eighth wildest. All the younger ones are much... [2:24:11] You know, more intense. And we came back with three days of footage and we're like, holy shit. [2:24:18] and we cut something together and took it to my friends at

[2:24:23] MTV and [2:24:25] Uh... [2:24:27] Thank you. [2:24:27] They're like, yeah, okay, we'll give you some money. They weren't even sure. They're like, you guys haven't. [2:24:33] you know, [2:24:34] uh... [2:24:35] failed us yet. So they just pushed the money our way and we came back with that. It was wild. It's a fucking amazing documentary. [2:24:46] Family. [2:24:47] charismatic bunch of outlaws. Yeah, well, it's certainly entertaining. [2:24:51] And it's also an untold story about that part of the country and how they've been ravaged by pills. Well, they've been – first of all, they were ravaged by the coal companies. [2:25:02] Right [2:25:03] jacking their town and then [2:25:06] You can only buy stuff from the company store. And then when the cold's gone, fuck you, we're out of here. And the town's just left. [2:25:14] massacred and then [2:25:17] Thank you. [2:25:18] with no thought of what happens to those people. Yeah. [2:25:22] You see how – [2:25:25] uh, [2:25:26] that can make [2:25:28] the whites and anyone in that area feel right and so like oh the man we're going to stick it to the man the man stuck it to us we're going to stick it to the man yeah with you know they're all they all get [2:25:39] checks for disability checks and you know they're [2:25:43] I don't know. It's just pretty sad. It's very sad. [2:25:47] entertaining and sad at the same time. It's like you're very conflicted. You want to laugh at them, but you're also like, oh, my God, there's kids there. There's families here. They're all fucked up, like the kid doing backflips because he's high on Mountain Dew. Yeah, yeah.

[2:26:01] and [2:26:02] he's, [2:26:03] talking about [2:26:04] stabbing [2:26:06] I forget which boyfriend of [2:26:07] Sue Bobbs. Yeah. It's crazy. It's intense. Yeah. But it's both funny and entertaining, but also like deeply disturbing at the same time, because you realize, especially towards the end of the film, where they want to get out of this life, like they're trying to clean up. [2:26:24] And she's trying to get off pills. Yeah, yeah. [2:26:28] Yeah. [2:26:30] But I, you know, [2:26:31] And [2:26:32] It's tough. [2:26:34] When you're... [2:26:35] raised in an environment and [2:26:37] You don't know how to get out. You don't have those tools. Well, there's no clear path. There's no clear path out of there. And everywhere around you is fucked. Everything's fucked. Everyone's fucked. There's no good examples of people that figured it out, got their shit together. There's no one cool uncle that went straight. [2:26:57] Well, there is part of the family that moved to Michigan, and they started flourishing. Oh, that's right. Yeah. That's right. That's the move. But it's – yeah. Yeah. [2:27:08] Fucking hard. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah. [2:27:11] Yeah, it's like – I think there's just forgotten sections of our country when it comes to just – [2:27:20] extreme despair and poverty and just overall, like you said, fucked over by the coal companies, fucked over by pills. Everyone's addicted. Everyone's...

[2:27:32] It's just like this long history of crime. And when you're raised in that continually, it's – how do you see a – [2:27:42] way out. You know, it just... [2:27:45] I don't know. It's pretty... [2:27:47] Pretty sad. But when you filmed it, did you think it was going to be sad or did you think it was just going to be crazy? You don't know what you're walking into. Right. You have no idea. [2:27:58] Um... [2:28:00] So... [2:28:03] what came back was [2:28:07] It was very impactful and you couldn't. [2:28:13] turn away it just [2:28:16] Yeah, there's a lot of shit that... [2:28:18] Really pulls on your heartstrings, but they're so charismatic. [2:28:22] And they have such a way about them – [2:28:27] I don't know. It makes it... [2:28:29] uh... [2:28:32] Their sense of humor helps ease you through it about the situation. But still, it's a situation. Did you take them to the premiere or anything? We flew Jessica and Mamie in for the premiere. [2:28:51] and [2:28:52] I remember I... [2:28:54] He was going to tap dance at the premiere. [2:28:59] And he's got his... [2:29:02] Tap shoes...

[2:29:03] which were, uh, [2:29:06] his father, D. Ray White's tap shoes. I was there just in a plastic... [2:29:11] pharmaceutical bag [2:29:15] But I dropped them when I got out of the car, and I was just – I was just like – I feel – I felt terrible. [2:29:21] But their characters... [2:29:24] they [2:29:25] It was pretty wild meeting Jessica and Mamie. [2:29:28] That's my friend Storm I grew up with. He helped produce... [2:29:32] I remember me, Jessica White, and Mike Judge just sitting in a bar before – [2:29:38] having drinks [2:29:40] Oh, Mike Judge was involved in this too? No, no. He's just a friend of mine and he was like, I want to meet Jessica and Mamie. I love that guy. Yeah. Mike Judge is cool as fuck. He's so talented. Very, very talented. So bright. Yeah. The man was an engineer starting out, then a musician and – [2:29:57] He's an interesting character. Very, very interesting guy. But how did they react to the film? [2:30:04] And watching people watch them and laughing and going crazy. [2:30:11] They – I mean at the premiere, they seemed – they really enjoyed it. [2:30:18] It's a big thing. You see yourself up on screen. I know the subject matter is tough, but [2:30:24] I don't know. That's their life, right? They're not surprised by anything. [2:30:30] It's just... [2:30:31] What happened with them after the film?

[2:30:35] Uh... [2:30:36] Do you follow up on them? [2:30:38] Every now and then, Julian will send me something. One of them will be in the news for – [2:30:44] this or that. [2:30:45] you know. [2:30:46] I haven't stayed in touch. I didn't stay in touch. What did you say, Jamie? Subhab's on TikTok with her daughter. Oh, boy. [2:30:55] So Bob's got the best voice. I was always the sexy one. [2:31:02] I don't even get that voice. That's crazy. Yeah, what a voice. Have you ever thought about doing a follow-up? [2:31:09] Someone else can. [2:31:12] I don't. [2:31:14] We did it. [2:31:15] And I think we moved on. [2:31:17] I think at some point... [2:31:21] It's a little much. [2:31:22] Yeah. Go back to that. Well, I don't feel right about it. Right. A little exploitative. Yeah. I don't feel right about it. Yeah. That makes sense. Do you have aspirations to do other stuff? Do you have like any other things that you're trying to do? [2:31:38] Well, I mean, in the film world, [2:31:43] Sure. [2:31:45] So... [2:31:48] I have a lot of... I love doing documentaries. I have a couple of documentaries I'm trying to get off the ground. [2:31:55] Oh, man. [2:31:57] you know, [2:31:59] One on David Allen Coe. [2:32:02] who Julian Nitzberg was going to direct. Do you know who David Allen Coe is? Yeah. He's a...

[2:32:08] country singer, songwriter, [2:32:11] who's like was the [2:32:14] From the age of 9 to 35, he was institutionalized. [2:32:18] you know, is... [2:32:20] Parents just kind of used too much, and they put him in the boys' home. And he was the head of the outlaw motorcycle gang for a while. [2:32:31] had [2:32:32] eight or nine wives for a while. At the same time? Yeah, at the same time. He formed his own religion. He wrote his own book. [2:32:44] you know, wrote a book, [2:32:46] Uh, he, he was, oh, the best. I have to show you a picture. [2:32:52] And he also wrote some racist songs while he was in prison and Shel Silverstein convinced him to. [2:32:59] Record those when he got out. [2:33:02] I turned my phone off. Shel Silverstein, the guy who wrote children's books? And A Boy Named Sue and on the cover of The Rolling Stone. Shel Silverstein wrote a lot of songs. [2:33:14] And [2:33:15] And he convinced a couple of the songs are racist and can't really – there's no defense to them. He's lived a very complicated life. But in the 80s – [2:33:27] he decided I'm going to become a magician. [2:33:30] and I have a picture of him and a ventriloquist, and I'll show it to you in a second. It's pretty – [2:33:37] So [2:33:38] He's the most frightening fucking ventriloquist you've ever seen.

[2:33:50] Credit him as one of their influences. [2:33:54] Was that him with his dummy? [2:33:57] No, it's Terry Allen. Okay, let me find it real quick. [2:34:02] So it's an incredible story, but it's just hard getting something like that made now. [2:34:09] for people aren't wanting to [2:34:12] Okay, come on. [2:34:14] I'm bringing up [2:34:15] So we're trying to tell that story. [2:34:20] And so just whatever just strikes your interest, like things that – [2:34:24] you find fascinating. [2:34:27] Thank you. [2:34:29] Can I airdrop this to Jamie? Yeah. Yeah. [2:34:33] How do I do this? And his son, Tyler Coe, does that podcast, Cocaine and Rhinestones. It's a brilliant podcast. His son's really... [2:34:41] Sharp. It says airdrop code required. And so that's how you decide things just based on like what's interesting. [2:34:50] Yeah, I don't know what house to decide things. Look at that. [2:34:54] David Allen Coe, look at this bell buckle. Look at that bell buckle. Oh, yeah. [2:35:00] A scary looking dude with a dummy. His son, Tyler's like, I thought that thing was real when I was growing up. You know, it's... [2:35:09] Because he... [2:35:10] Made it seem that way. Well, there's a weird connection between a really good ventriloquist and their dummy that gets very odd. Yeah, no, it's like in the Twilight Zone episode where the guy has the dummy. Do you ever see that? No. Oh, it's great. It's a Twilight Zone episode where the dummy and the guy are having conversations when no one's around. The dummy is alive. And then I think the dummy kills the guy and then. But.

[2:35:35] I had a guy that I used to work with way back in the day. His name was Otto and George, and he was a vitriolquist comedy act. And George was the dummy, and Otto was the guy. And Otto would be like, I can't believe you're saying these things. And George would say, like, really fucked up. And George was an evil-looking dummy with, like, crazy eyebrows. He was a legend, like a comedy legend. That's Otto and George. Oh, wow. Yeah. They were a little too close. It was a little close. [2:36:05] He was driving in the car and George would be in the trunk and he would tell the guy driving, pull over. I got to check on George. He felt like he had to pull over and talk to the dummy. [2:36:16] And he'd get out by the side of the road, pop over the trunk, and hear him back there like... [2:36:21] just fucking around with the dummy, like looking at it, talking to it. [2:36:25] Then he'd put it back in and drive off. Like he would get in his head that the dummy needed to be checked on. [2:36:31] How does a guy like that operate in life? He's dead now, unfortunately. We all end up that way. He partied hard. Right. Like he had – [2:36:43] He was an enthusiast. [2:36:46] Relationships? [2:36:46] I don't know. I mean, I never heard about him being married or anything like that. I don't believe he had any children. [2:36:53] But he was nuts. He was like – I never got to know him all that well. I worked with him a ton of times. But it was always like – and he's like, hey, Joe, how are you? You know, he'd have his dummy there. But you would just – everybody would go to the back of the room when Otto would go on stage. We'd all want to watch. That was his relationship, the dummy. Well, I was – I don't know if he had other relationships, but that was a big one.

[2:37:23] He was saying horrible things to this guy. And the guy stabbed the dummy. The guy jumped up on stage and stabbed the dummy. [2:37:32] It was at Dangerfields. Yeah, I think it was at Dangerfields. What a brilliant move. Yeah. That's inspired. [2:37:40] Yeah, I mean, he was a part of the program. [2:37:42] That guy was a part of the performance. Jumped up and stabbed the dummy. Because he would just say – That's probably worse than stabbing him. You know, his heart broke. Well, I mean, you know – [2:37:52] I'm assuming the guy was doing it for fun, but unless he thought the dummy was – [2:37:58] actually the problem that critical thinking i think they do i think they're actually doing a documentary on otto and george i think really yeah i think someone's working on that right now so that would be interesting yeah he was he was a legend on the east coast during the 1980s and 1990s like we all knew otto and george wow i i completely missed that yeah but you know like [2:38:28] attraction in terms of like a real national career but he was very funny and a really good joke writer he was a funny guy yeah yeah [2:38:36] Yeah, because they don't have that little extra side of them. Business part. Yeah. The business part was missing. Yeah. It was just a maniacal genius. [2:38:48] I have something to do after this. I'm going to look up Otto and George. Yeah, it's something to look up. Listen, man, good luck on Fear Factor. Thank you. I hope it runs another 148 episodes just like when we did it back in the day, and I hope nobody gets hurt. Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate you having me on. Oh, my pleasure.

[2:39:06] Great to meet you, man. You've entertained the fuck out of me over the years. Thank you. And give me a lot of anxiety as well. I'm glad you're okay. Yeah, thanks, man. Well, thanks for doing this. Thank you. And tell everybody, when is it air? When does Fear Factor start? Premieres tomorrow. Oh, no, excuse me. Premieres tonight, the 14th. Okay. Sorry, I've been on a whirlwind kind of thing, so it's on tonight. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Well, good luck. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody. [2:39:36] Thank you. [2:39:45] This episode is brought to you by Blue Chew. Listen up. Blue Chew just dropped something wild. They're calling it Blue Chew Gold. And honestly, the name fits. The stuff is setting a whole new standard for performance in the bedroom. It's not your typical blue pill. It combines two ingredients for blood flow with two for mental arousal and connection. It's not just physical, it's the mindset too. [2:40:15] It's not just about being able to perform. It's about actually wanting to. And I've got a special deal for you listeners. Right now, when you buy two months of Blue Chew Gold, you get the third free with the promo code ROGAN. You'll also receive an additional 10% off plus free overnight shipping on your first order. Visit BlueChew.com for more details and important safety information. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock.

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